Heartland

do you pair ever switch of the computer and have a conversation face to face?

The couple in question look a bit silly,sure. That said so do alot of mainstream types. An understated look is far better I think.

James Blast wrote:do you pair ever switch of the computer and have a conversation face to face?

Nope O.K. Sometimes when 9 isn't being a bastard!

metalorange wrote:Well, according to Timsinister, Goths are narrow-minded

Tim Sinister wrote:We're quibbling about the different factions of Goff and which is 'right' or 'wrong', when essentially it's the PEOPLE who decide whether or not it works out.

metalorange wrote:Well, according to Timsinister, Goths are narrow-minded

And I can say from experience he's not totally wrong. Well it may not be specific to goffs, but quite a good number of them just didn't want to know about the roots and origins of their music. Apparently they weren't interested.
Somehow they imagined that it had all started in the late 70s-early 80s and that goff had nothing to do with glam-rock, psychedelic, prog-rock, metal... Goff was the best, but The Velvet Underground, David Bowie, Motörhead, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk... sucked. How sad is that ?
Of course it's only one man's experience...

Sorry Badlander but I totally disagree.
Glam-rock was very much standard fare during the early goth days.Even now Ziggy stardust,Virginia plain and Venus in furs will still get 'em on the dancefloors at any goth do.
I was bought up on rock and progo thanks to a rockhead elder brother and a hippy elder sister.My teen years were early punk and Nwobhm.late 80's Goth was a glorious mix of everything I'd loved before.
I wore a Motorhead T-shirt to my first Neph gig in 87 ,thinking I was being anarchic and was a little troubled to see a great many others had had the same thought.

wild bill buttock wrote:Sorry Badlander but I totally disagree.

You must be one of the good guys then.
All I can say is that I quit because those goffs I knew were pretty narrow-minded and intolerant indeed. But that was in the early-mid 90s, and at that point things were already quite different I guess. Also that was Strasbourg, France, not London or any other major UK city. Goff was quite a small club there. And they thought they were soooooo clever.

I think me and Mr Blast agree that as long as the burdz have big boobs then who f***in' cares

As for Scotty, I think he prefers a bit of leg

Oh and by the by I do remember a goff DJ who used to play unexpected stuff like Kate Bush ( ) and Carmina burana.
The trouble is that only a minority actually appreciated the effort.
The others probably thought it wasn't "dark enough".

I will agree with you,Badlander, that there was a faction within goth(and still is)that just take it far too seriously.Usually these are people who have just got into it and dress like the two twats in the original picture.They're a bit like born again christians in their attitude that there is but one true faith and everything else is a sin.
usually they last a couple of years at the outside.
I also left the Goth scene around the mid 90's,for a couple of years,as it became infested with these preening wankers.
Fortunately it is very different now,there is a real sense of community amongst the older goths generally.
It is much more about the music than looking like an extra from Carry on screaming.

Badlander wrote:Oh and by the by I do remember a goff DJ who used to play unexpected stuff like Kate Bush ( )

Cop a load of this then http://youtube.com/watch?v=cD3yx7C6jws& ... bush%20wow
Now that was a woman

In my teenager times it was us (TSOM-Punk-Rock n'Roll-leather-slight-tendency-towards-metal) against them (THE CURE-crushed-velvet-candles-astrology-and-other-romantic-s**t).

We all had backcombed hair.

canon docre wrote:In my teenager times it was us (TSOM-Punk-Rock n'Roll-leather-slight-tendency-towards-metal) against them (THE CURE-crushed-velvet-candles-astrology-and-other-romantic-s**t).

The Cure have no more to do with crushed velvet and black magic than the Girls have. Which is very little.
In the 60s it would have been rockers against mods I guess.

Badlander wrote:

canon docre wrote:In my teenager times it was us (TSOM-Punk-Rock n'Roll-leather-slight-tendency-towards-metal) against them (THE CURE-crushed-velvet-candles-astrology-and-other-romantic-s**t).

The Cure have no more to do with crushed velvet and black magic than the Girls have. Which is very little.
In the 60s it would have been rockers against mods I guess.

I know. But who cares, if you need an enemy to pogo-dance against?

i guess its different from country to country, and even from city to city, but my experiences of the manchester goff scene of the very late 80s and the first two thirds of the 90s pretty much echoes wild bill's.

there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans... most people i knew were just as happy to dance to inbetween days and 100 years as they were body electric and walk away... me included

from what i saw of the leeds scene - mainly the phono & rickies, and a bit of the warehouse - around the same time (from my infrequent visits every couple of months) it seemed very similar to manc too.

never went out to any other city often enough to get a true picture of the "vibe"

It was f**king great.

Naysayers f**k off.

Quiff Boy wrote:
there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans

There was a bit of friendly rivalry in Birmingham between the punky goths and the Dandy fop goths during the mid 80's(Sorry to disapoint you lot but the vast majority of Sisters fans in those days were in the latter section )but it was all pretty friendly stuff,and gum shields weren't really required when the wrecking got started .Unless the psycho billies got involved,Bastards!

boudicca wrote:It was f**king great.

Naysayers f**k off.

You simply cannot argue with that

wild bill buttock wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:
there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans

There was a bit of friendly rivalry in Birmingham between the punky goths and the Dandy fop goths during the mid 80's(Sorry to disapoint you lot but the vast majority of Sisters fans in those days were in the latter section )but it was all pretty friendly stuff,and gum shields weren't really required when the wrecking got started .Unless the psycho billies got involved,Bastards!

The amount of psychobillies with faded blue sisters tats from 83 is quite scary, and has led me to some frightening evenings drinking with men called things like "Pickaxe Steve" over the years. Gotta love 'em, unless they're dancing at you.

If it helps, I looked like Johnny Slut for about a year, but I still think those two in Leipzig look like a prissy pair of gimps with no piggin' idea.

RobF wrote: psychobillies

does anyone else remember the nutbags that had pointy quiff/crew cut thingimibobs, and beer towels sewn onto their clothes-listened to King Kurt and battered each other on the dancefloor?







No?









Coat, getting, gone

Them was your actual psychobillies.And where have they all gone?

wild bill buttock wrote:Them was your actual psychobillies.And where have they all gone?

Local Government

Demented are go were great.

Aye, the Psychobillies were fookin terrifying.

And like I said, I can't exactly cast stones...

I went out in one of Mrs Fiend's frocks once

weebleswobble wrote:

RobF wrote: psychobillies

does anyone else remember the nutbags that had pointy quiff/crew cut thingimibobs, and beer towels sewn onto their clothes-listened to King Kurt and battered each other on the dancefloor?

Remember?? They were the stuff of my dreams