Heartland

Pista wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 13:36

Alice138 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 12:14 Does this reissue have the same dynamic range as the original pressing?

Hello & welcome to

mh wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 14:59

Alice138 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 12:14 Does this reissue have the same dynamic range as the original pressing?

It's on vinyl so it's not brickwalled, if that's what you're asking. You can't brickwall vinyl the same as CD; the needle would just jump right out.

I haven't yet done a rip and comparison, but I might over the weekend if time allows. Robert Zombie is generally the best person for these though, and is very knowledgable in this regard, so I'd be surprised if he didn't already have something in the works.

Alice138 wrote: ↑29 Apr 2023, 07:39

It's great to be here, thanks for the welcome!

mh wrote: ↑28 Apr 2023, 14:59
I haven't yet done a rip and comparison, but I might over the weekend if time allows. Robert Zombie is generally the best person for these though, and is very knowledgable in this regard, so I'd be surprised if he didn't already have something in the works.

Hello Mh, If you do end up doing a rip and comparison over the weekend, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. It's also good to know that Robert Zombie is knowledgeable in this area and may have something in the works already, which can provide different perspectives on the subject.

mh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2023, 13:15 OK, so earlier today I did needledrops of the 3 main vinyl sources I have:

- 1983 original.
- SGWBM.
- 2023 RSD reissue.

I didn't bother buying the SGWBM reissue when it came out, and I didn't bother doing comparison with the CD or other digital versions either.

I didn't even attempt to do any real analysis, as I don't have great skills in that area, so I compared by eyeballing the waveforms and listening to them on speakers and headphones. The lineage was Rega Planar 8/Apheta 3/Aria phono stage into a generic Realtek line-in on my laptop. The analog-to-digital conversion is definitely the weak link in that chain. I recorded to GoldWave, which is my preferred wave editor, and other than a 20Hz highpass filter I did no post-processing, no EQ, nothing.

The 1983 original is definitely bass-light compared to the other two, but sounds open, clear and dynamic. The RSD reissue is slightly compressed, and very bassy by comparison, with the opening BOOM-BOOM-tsssh of Valentine being particularly punchy. SGWBM sits somewhere in the middle. There are little details that are different all over the place, basslines louder here, percussion more prominent there, vocals clearer elsewhere, and that not only goes for the RSD reissue but for all 3. Kiss (Reprise) is completely different on all 3.

The big surprise was that of the 3, I preferred SGWBM. It just seemed more coherent and well-balanced, whereas the original was too bass-light and the reissue too punchy. That has me wondering if I should regret never buying the SGWBM reissue.

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑29 Apr 2023, 17:00

mh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2023, 13:15 OK, so earlier today I did needledrops of the 3 main vinyl sources I have:

- 1983 original.
- SGWBM.
- 2023 RSD reissue.

I didn't bother buying the SGWBM reissue when it came out, and I didn't bother doing comparison with the CD or other digital versions either.

I didn't even attempt to do any real analysis, as I don't have great skills in that area, so I compared by eyeballing the waveforms and listening to them on speakers and headphones. The lineage was Rega Planar 8/Apheta 3/Aria phono stage into a generic Realtek line-in on my laptop. The analog-to-digital conversion is definitely the weak link in that chain. I recorded to GoldWave, which is my preferred wave editor, and other than a 20Hz highpass filter I did no post-processing, no EQ, nothing.

The 1983 original is definitely bass-light compared to the other two, but sounds open, clear and dynamic. The RSD reissue is slightly compressed, and very bassy by comparison, with the opening BOOM-BOOM-tsssh of Valentine being particularly punchy. SGWBM sits somewhere in the middle. There are little details that are different all over the place, basslines louder here, percussion more prominent there, vocals clearer elsewhere, and that not only goes for the RSD reissue but for all 3. Kiss (Reprise) is completely different on all 3.

The big surprise was that of the 3, I preferred SGWBM. It just seemed more coherent and well-balanced, whereas the original was too bass-light and the reissue too punchy. That has me wondering if I should regret never buying the SGWBM reissue.

PM me & i'll rip Shine like thunder TO .FLAC (robs needle-dropped digital) and post it FYEO

paint it black wrote: ↑03 May 2023, 10:49 Does this have a download code inside the sleeve. Just wondering to see if it's worth breaking the seal or not on my copy. Danke

z666 wrote: ↑04 May 2023, 10:14 Somebody mentioned the other day Enter The Sisters as the best sounding release containing all the pre-First stuff. Hadn't listened to it for a while and after doing it I have to admit that yes, there's some truth to that. The RSD version sounds really big, but also a bit "fake" to me. It's like whoever tweaked It used Alice and Temple Of Love's 93 versions as a template.

dtsom wrote: ↑03 May 2023, 14:48

paint it black wrote: ↑03 May 2023, 10:49 Does this have a download code inside the sleeve. Just wondering to see if it's worth breaking the seal or not on my copy. Danke

No it is not