Heartland

I've only done the makeup thing when going to see the Rocky Horror Show, or when no-one else is around. Or involuntarily, when pissed and descended on by mad banshees.

I drank blood and slept in a graveyard listening to Fist Last & Always on permanent loop (in fact I still do) - is that option 2?

MrChris wrote:

Angelchild wrote:Roger Whittaker UGH.
Tis unfortunate I live here(well I actually live in a little village just outside of D.......)but we all have our crosses to bear.
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Heh, I once lived in a little village just outside Durham, too. Ushaw Moor. If you know the area, you'll know that was a cross to bear, too. Think 'pit village after pit closure'. My excuse was I was a student and it was VERY cheap. The landlord was almost paying us to live there, and some months forgot to cash our rent cheques at all. The house (over said pit?) had such bad subsidence that it was hard to use a frying-pan. But I tell you what, we were lucky then! It also meant I had money to spend on dodgy gothesque jewellery in Durham indoor market. Nice.

Wow,what a small world it is I live just down the road in Brandon.I know what you mean about Ushaw Moor.Grubby pubs full of old codgers as so eloquently described in Gripper's posting about Tony Blair.
And indeed we have subsidence here too!

No,never.Being a goth has to be a lifestyle first,not just fashion.And it means you have to be depressed,unusually bigoted,violent,suicidal,bestial,grotesque,ill-educated,involved in illegal drugs,believe yourself to be a vampire,sado-masochist,satanist,wearer of black,dyer of your hair,user of white make-up...etc all the time to be the real one.
And I've never been any of these except wearing mostly black all the time which doesn't make me the real one at all.I'm dark.Between dark and goth there is a difference.

Nancy_78 wrote:No,never.Being a goth has to be a lifestyle first,not just fashion.And it means you have to be depressed,unusually bigoted,violent,suicidal,bestial,grotesque,ill-educated,involved in illegal drugs,believe yourself to be a vampire,sado-masochist,satanist,wearer of black,dyer of your hair,user of white make-up...etc all the time to be the real one.
And I've never been any of these except wearing mostly black all the time which doesn't make me the real one at all.I'm dark.Between dark and goth there is a difference.

Michael Jackson?

Big Si wrote:

Nancy_78 wrote:No,never.Being a goth has to be a lifestyle first,not just fashion.And it means you have to be depressed,unusually bigoted,violent,suicidal,bestial,grotesque,ill-educated,involved in illegal drugs,believe yourself to be a vampire,sado-masochist,satanist,wearer of black,dyer of your hair,user of white make-up...etc all the time to be the real one.
And I've never been any of these except wearing mostly black all the time which doesn't make me the real one at all.I'm dark.Between dark and goth there is a difference.

Michael Jackson?

Ditto!

Nancy_78 wrote:No,never.Being a goth has to be a lifestyle first,not just fashion.And it means you have to be depressed,unusually bigoted,violent,suicidal,bestial,grotesque,ill-educated,involved in illegal drugs,believe yourself to be a vampire,sado-masochist,satanist,wearer of black,dyer of your hair,user of white make-up...etc all the time to be the real one.

The only of these that fit me (and have ever fitted me) are "involved in illegal drugs" (sorry), "wearer of black" and "dyer of your hair". But I still voted for option no. 1. Go figure.

markfiend wrote:

Nancy_78 wrote:No,never.Being a goth has to be a lifestyle first,not just fashion.And it means you have to be depressed,unusually bigoted,violent,suicidal,bestial,grotesque,ill-educated,involved in illegal drugs,believe yourself to be a vampire,sado-masochist,satanist,wearer of black,dyer of your hair,user of white make-up...etc all the time to be the real one.

The only of these that fit me (and have ever fitted me) are "involved in illegal drugs" (sorry), "wearer of black" and "dyer of your hair". But I still voted for option no. 1. Go figure.

Fair enough.That's your own opinion.

Maybe your characterisation fits the kids who call themselves goths now (I'm talking about fans of metal bands who wear a lot of black (the bands, not necessarily the kids)) but I would never have called any of the people I hung round with ill-educated, bigoted or violent.

In fact, the average denizen late-80s/early-90s "goth scene" was IMO more well-educated and far less bigoted and violent than the average man-on-the-street. A large proportion of my friends back then were vegetarian, for example. I'll admit a few people did have an unhealthy attraction to vampire fiction but no-one I knew ever believed that they were vampires. (There is a certain irony in the juxtaposition of vegetarianism and vampires, no?)

Like you say, my own opinion. Maybe goths are different species in Croatia than they are (were) here?

Oh and I apologise for my use of the word "denizen".

i have to agree with markfiend.

that description sounds more like the mansonite spooky skater kids that hang around the "korn exhange" (pun intended) wearing manson tees, baggy trousers, chains around their waists, and new rock boots...

most of my "goth" friends from around that time seemed to be middle-class/upper-middle-class, well educated, and far more open minded and less bigoted than that description. the miserable/suicide thing only ever applied to a handful of rather unbalanced women. silly whenches...

most people i knew were a lot of fun and didnt take themselves too serious at all - the whole goth scene was just an excuse to wear black, have massive hair, and get pissed with your mates listening to cool music

Quiff Boy wrote:the miserable/suicide thing only ever applied to a handful of rather unbalanced women.

On an entirely different subject to the quote above, did you ever meet a woman called Michelle?

Quiff Boy wrote:i have to agree with markfiend.

that description sounds more like the mansonite spooky skater kids that hang around the "korn exhange" (pun intended) wearing manson tees, baggy trousers, chains around their waists, and new rock boots...

most of my "goth" friends from around that time seemed to be middle-class/upper-middle-class, well educated, and far more open minded and less bigoted than that description. the miserable/suicide thing only ever applied to a handful of rather unbalanced women. silly whenches...

most people i knew were a lot of fun and didnt take themselves too serious at all - the whole goth scene was just an excuse to wear black, have massive hair, and get pissed with your mates listening to cool music

And very, very elitist!

(Well they were around 1990 in Middlesbrough , thank feck ahm noo a Weegie! )

markfiend wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:the miserable/suicide thing only ever applied to a handful of rather unbalanced women.

On an entirely different subject to the quote above, did you ever meet a woman called Michelle?

dunno. what did she look like? apart from having long black back-combed hair, black eyeliner and a pvc frock?

i used to go to out in manchester at the time - did she go to the banshee?

Big Si wrote:And very, very elitist!

(Well they were around 1990 in Middlesbrough , thank feck ahm noo a Weegie! )

yeah, they could get a bit cliquey... also, a predominant goth trait is bitchyness. especially in the men

Quiff Boy wrote:i used to go to out in manchester at the time - did she go to the banshee?

Ah the Banshee! I've been there myself once or twice, but no, I'm talking Leeds. Never mind.

BTW you know there's a f*cking Travel Inn where the Banshee used to be now.

markfiend wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:i used to go to out in manchester at the time - did she go to the banshee?

Ah the Banshee! I've been there myself once or twice, but no, I'm talking Leeds. Never mind.

BTW you know there's a f*cking Travel Inn where the Banshee used to be now.

i know. the unstoppable march of progress, eh?

when i first started going to the banshee circa 90/91 there was a lass there who was a "fat pat" clone, and she was seeing some this corrosion-era eldritch clone (who might have bene called mark?!? maybe?). anyways, banshee legend has it that he dumped her one night, so later that night when they played some kind of stranger she slit her wrists... ...as you do

bloody goths

Never heard that one before. Although the descriptions of the protagonists sound eerily familiar I didn't dump her in there, and she didn't slit her wrists (AFAIK). Maybe it was another couple. There were a lot of Pat-n-Andy couples around at that time!

Like you say, Bloody goths!

*Edit to add: I don't remember them ever playing Some Kind Of Stranger in the Banshee. It was hard enough to get the DJ to play the Sisters at all IIRC.

Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm conviced you do mean me and my then-girlfriend

good lord!



banshee legend always was capable of embelleshing the truth a little

shame, as it was quite an amusing story

hmmm, the more i think about it, the more i'm sure i recall someone telling me the "mark" in question was from leeds... was this particular "she" from leeds or manc?

ever know a chap from saddleworth/oldham called craig? ginger hair? mates called him cabbage?

She was a Manc. Droylsden IIRC.

Only went to school with Cabbage dint I? I'm from that neck of the woods originally, and came to Leeds to Uni. (and never left). This is scaring me now

markfiend wrote:She was a Manc. Droylsden IIRC.

Only went to school with Cabbage dint I? I'm from that neck of the woods originally, and came to Leeds to Uni. (and never left). This is scaring me now

no way!!

you know those guys that went to cardiff uni too? john etc? we must have met i'm from oldham

Quiff Boy wrote:you know those guys that went to cardiff uni too? john etc?

No, I don't think so. The name's not familiar. But I think we must have met at some point.

My memory of times at The Banshee is a little hazy at best. Blame the phet.

markfiend wrote:

Quiff Boy wrote:you know those guys that went to cardiff uni too? john etc?

No, I don't think so. The names aren't familiar. But I think we must have met at some point.

My memory of times at The Banshee is a little hazy at best. Blame the phet.

good lord. small world, eh? my flabber is well and truly gasted...

oo talk about a *bump*

In short... no. I'm not a goth. Despite the predominantly black wardrobe (even down to the last sock )

Unfortunately there are no proper "goths" in my school at the moment so it appears that I am the resident goth.
It's all good though, loads of closet goth-teachers talk to me about Sisters, etc. and my PE teacher does a stonking rendition of TOL

And thanks to The Mumbles lots of people say hello to me now (this will no doubt stop after they hear the EP ) I'm sure they all go down to Camden and say to themselves "now... what would Robert pick"

I don't mind being called a goth... but I hate it when people call me a "gunger" yyyyyyyyuck

My god, this thread has been necromanc'd

I'm a goth. Yeah.
I've got that whole "I look constantly sickly" thang goin' on.

Ultraviolence.

Wow, this old thread.


I'm suprised that I didn't replied 3 years ago, but I never was a goth. I was a synthpopper.

But dressed in black all the time, if that counts...