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Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 15:32
by Thrash Harry
markfiend wrote:After all this, I believe Mr James has raised an important issue:
RicheyJames wrote:...those who describe myself, and others of my ilk, as pedants for actually caring about the way our language is used...
As this forum (and much of the Internet) is conducted in written language, surely it is an aid to communication to attempt to use the language in a proper manner? While deliberate ambiguity is the goal some seek from their writings (
) on a forum such as this, it is surely best that the ideas of a member are communicated in as clear a way as possible. Such clarity is improved by correct use of grammar, spelling and punctuation, whereas mistakes can only lead to confusion.
Furthermore, English has one of the largest vocabularies of any language, and when I see it reduced to the likes of "OMG ur well g0fFik innnit !!!11!1!" I want to scream. (I hasten to add that this sort of text-speak is seldom seen on the Heartland forum, unless used for comedic effect.) That the language of Shakespeare, Milton, and Blake can be reduced to this is surely a matter for shame for all native English speakers.
Lastly, I am amazed at the fluency with which many non-native speakers of English use the language, frequently doing so more correctly than many, or even most natives. I do have some proficiency with some other languages, but I know that I would be simply incapable of following the kinds of discussions that we have here in any language other than English.
FFS!
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 15:50
by mayhem
Took me a minute to work out what FFS stood for- but now that I have, I couldn't agree more...
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:26
by Black Planet
mugabe wrote:If you get 5 out of 11 right, you're a grammar nazi. Below 5, you're probably American.
Then what does that make me?
Unfortunately, Ich bin der Furher.
Sorry, no umlaut on my keyboard., and my german is spotty, so I am not sure if it's der or das...
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:30
by markfiend
What does FFS stand for?
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:36
by Black Planet
For Fcks sake??? I'm not sure myself what FFS means...
??
And now I'm going to ask QB to bin this thread. I think it's run it's course.
RJ your points are well taken, but it's getting acrimonius in here!
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:44
by mugabe
Black Planet wrote:And now I'm going to ask QB to bin this thread. I think it's run it's course.
http://www.angryflower.com/itsits.gif
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:47
by RicheyJames
eh?
RicheyJames wrote: well i truly am sorry. it was never my intention to cause offence.
Karst wrote:No worries. I suppose it is down to a different sense of humour. Let's leave it at that.
Have a good day.
doesn't look particularly acrimonious to me? in fact, i believe it's called agreeing to disagree. and if you're referring to Thrash Harry's witty(?) rebuttal of markfiend's points then can you please direct your ire appropriately rather than sully my good name. although, for what it's worth, i am totally in agreement with mr fiend on this one.
quelle surprise
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:51
by CorpPunk
RicheyJames wrote:
eh?
RicheyJames wrote: well i truly am sorry. it was never my intention to cause offence.
Karst wrote:No worries. I suppose it is down to a different sense of humour. Let's leave it at that.
Have a good day.
doesn't look particularly acrimonious to me? in fact, i believe it's called agreeing to disagree. and if you're referring to Thrash Harry's witty(?) rebuttal of markfiend's points then can you please direct your ire appropriately rather than sully my good name. although, for what it's worth, i am totally in agreement with mr fiend on this one.
quelle surprise
In which case, I agree with Richey by association. What's happening to all of us?
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:51
by Black Planet
Smart ass. You know I resent being outed and will continue to misspell just to make sure your on your toes.
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:57
by markfiend
Shouldn't that be "you're on your toes"?
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 16:57
by markfiend
Sorry.
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:05
by Black Planet
markfiend wrote:Shouldn't that be "you're on your toes"?
*sighs* It's not gonna do you any good to continually correct me. I have retreated to my closet again, and will now resume my grammatical incorrectness.
And you know what? It's nice to know I can tweek you all with it!!! BP's laughing all the way to the bank!
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:07
by markfiend
I did say sorry, and use the
smiley. You shouldn't take me too seriously.
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:13
by Loki
CorpPunk wrote: In which case, I agree with Richey by association. What's happening to all of us?
None of my business but I think we're seeing a softer side to his character since he became all 'loved up' ...
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:14
by Black Planet
markfiend wrote:I did say sorry, and use the
smiley. You shouldn't take me too seriously.
I know. And I don't.
I just think it's funny. I have to write at work in a certain style and believe me, it has to be perfect, grammatically correct and I have to put technical information into language a layman can understand, as it ends up published, yes published! for the masses to read.
That's why I don't bother here. thats too much like work!
And I rarely take anything on a forum seriously. I'm only here for fun.
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:15
by markfiend
Black Planet wrote:markfiend wrote:I did say sorry, and use the
smiley. You shouldn't take me too seriously.
I know. And I don't.
I just think it's funny. I have to write at work in a certain style and believe me, it has to be perfect, grammatically correct and I have to put technical information into language a layman can understand. That's why I don't bother here.
And I rarely take anything on a forum seriously. I'm only here for fun.
That's all OK then.
back at you.
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:27
by Quiff Boy
whilst i appreciate that dw33b speak is really, really, really annoying, and that it does rankle (sp?) me when people take liberties with the english language, i must admit that i rarely proof read what i write here - neither do i proof read emails between friends. now professional emails or letter etc are a different matter, but on here? f**k it! you all know what i'm getting at 99% of the time
and that is sufficient for me.
now chill people. until teh forum provides you with a real-time spell checker a la (no i dont know how to get the accent above the a, and neither do i care right now) MS Word then i think we'll all just have to lump it
now come one! lighten up
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:30
by Black Planet
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:31
by Quiff Boy
and for teh record, yes my left hand is slightly slower on teh keyboard than my right, hence certain characters are always being typed the wrong way round
see?
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:35
by markfiend
Quiff Boy wrote:and for teh record, yes my left hand is slightly slower on teh keyboard than my right, hence certain characters are always being typed the wrong way round
see?
For some odd reason, whenever I type words ending "...ough" the frequently come out as "...oghu". Toghu luck eh?
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 17:37
by Quiff Boy
markfiend wrote:Quiff Boy wrote:and for teh record, yes my left hand is slightly slower on teh keyboard than my right, hence certain characters are always being typed the wrong way round
see?
For some odd reason, whenever I type words ending "...ough" the frequently come out as "...oghu". Toghu luck eh?
tis indeed a ritgh royal pain in the asre!
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 18:41
by 6FeetOver
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 19:11
by mh
With communication being - in a large proportion - visual (body language, etc) it is actually quite important in a purely written medium to make your point clearly and unambiguously. Otherwise you do run the risk of misinterpretation.
The most important rule here should be: "don't knee-jerk." If something annoys or offends you, just sit back for a few minutes and think "hold on, was it meant that way?" We're missing a whole load of visual subtext on here (and in other non-visual communication media, witness the blazing row I once had with my GF over a misinterpreted text message), and that has to be recognised; everyone should approach the whole thing in as light-hearted and humorous manner as possible. Fun is the name of the game.
Having said that:
http://www.geocities.com/the_one_truth_ ... anker.html
(Edit: hmmm, the last bit keeps getting censored. It should be: h_o_w_t_o_w_r_i_t_e_l_i_k_e_a_w_a_n_k_e_r_._h_t_m_l)
Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 19:19
by zigeunerweisen
I never found Nazis or any reference to them in a supposed 'humourful' context amusing. Maybe it is the cultural context I was brought up in...
But you might consider that putting up an image of Adolf Hitler ath the top of a tread might be offensive to some people.
Oh please, like everyone else said, lighten up. Boohoo, we can't mention the word Nazi, boohoo, they're bad and mean. Geez. While we're at it, why don't we ban the letters A I N and Z from all languages? Maybe that's not enough. Let's ban E H L R T too.
Nowadays everyone needs pampering and comfort and joy and happy thoughts, and fluffy bunnies and rainbows. Yeah, guess what, bad things happen, and i certainly would never not mention them because someone somewhere could possibly be offended.
I expected some understanding of this on these boards certainly considering the outspoken way Andrew has put this across himself
Arrgh, gasp, aahhhhhh, gggglgglg...
You just sounded like a teenage girl saying "but Britney said so mommy"
Jesus, you really like drama don't you?
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Posted: 26 Jan 2004, 19:57
by Debaser
Johnny Boy wrote:
If we're all grammar Nazi's, what's the excuse for the typos and rubbish that appears on here? My top tip is to actually
look at your monitor when typing.
I do believe I answered that question. If I may refer you to page 1
