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sultan2075 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2023, 03:38

ribbons69 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2023, 01:34

Esoterica wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 22:23 Not to mention all of the NDAs needed to keep gossip mongers at bay.

Do you have a source for these apochryfal NDA's? What gossip would he be worrying about? He sacked a guitarist? The Sisters are not Metallica or the Rolling Stones, outside in the real world no-one cares about some old rock band from Leeds.

Can't let the world know that Von stays young and vigorous by extracting adrenochrome from young and impressionable fans....

ribbons69 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2023, 01:28

GC wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 23:06

ribbons69 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2023, 02:26 We've been talking about this for thirty years now but it boils down to;
Von really doesn't want to make a record.
Von has no need or incentive to make a record.
Ergo he isn't going to make a record.

If I have a task that is unpleasant that I don't want to do, but also that I don't need to do it, then you can be assured that I'm not going to do it. Why would I?

He cant release a record because he's still under contract (east west, strike, lawsuit.. whatever). Thats the only reason IMO.

There are no other reasons not to relaease anything (over the last thirty years) unless he just could nt. He has a million streams on Spotify every month and therefore a good market. NMA has 150000 pm, they release an album every two years.... and for them it seems worth while. His hands are tied.

"No other reasons"
The reason is that he doesn't want to do it. Why is that so hard for people to contemplate?

Todashi wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 08:55

Bartek wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023, 23:27 Well, lets do the hypothetical dane: you can record and mix it whatever you want nowadays, you can put vox so loud and so in from of everyother instrument, noise and sound in the mix that it would be audiable enough to carry the lyrics. If you want.
Meanwhile it been 32 years since last full studio album. It's enough to realize it not gonna happen.

Yep, very hard to argue with that. 32 years is a long time. But things change. First off, if you go back a few years, the idea that they'd add a new guitarist and trot out ten songs or so that were really good and worked well - effectively a fourth album, just performed live rather than recorded - would have seemed very unlikely. For literally decades, people had been saying 'He's scared to put anything out because he's left it so long it couldn't compete with the past etc" And then he did.

And of all the criticisms lobbed at him, I haven't heard many people say the new songs are s**t. They're not, they're really really good. So that's data point one - something very very unlikely has actually already happened. Ergo, it could happen again.

Secondly, this situation will come to an end. There will be a point where ill health, a failing voice and/or band disintegration will make it impossible or undesirable to tour. He's not a young man, and his tour almost fell apart this time. So there is change on the horizon - either Chris C steps back up into guitar when Dave is back, or Dylan returns, or Von says to himself 'it's been a good run, I'll quit now." If that last one happens then that's it. No more Sisters.

But I can also imagine a situation where he thinks to himself, 'okay, if I'm not touring anymore, I'll do an album' to leave a record of the songs, and to steer some residual cash towards the guys like Ben, Chris, Dave and Dylan who don't technically 'own' a part of the sisters, but have kept the band afloat as hired hands for almost 20 years. See where I'm going with this? Now, he might not. But he might.

But in all this the one thing we can be absolutely 100 per cent certain of, is change.

Bartek wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023, 08:45

Todashi wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 08:55

Bartek wrote: ↑06 Oct 2023, 23:27 Well, lets do the hypothetical dane: you can record and mix it whatever you want nowadays, you can put vox so loud and so in from of everyother instrument, noise and sound in the mix that it would be audiable enough to carry the lyrics. If you want.
Meanwhile it been 32 years since last full studio album. It's enough to realize it not gonna happen.

Yep, very hard to argue with that. 32 years is a long time. But things change. First off, if you go back a few years, the idea that they'd add a new guitarist and trot out ten songs or so that were really good and worked well - effectively a fourth album, just performed live rather than recorded - would have seemed very unlikely. For literally decades, people had been saying 'He's scared to put anything out because he's left it so long it couldn't compete with the past etc" And then he did.

And of all the criticisms lobbed at him, I haven't heard many people say the new songs are s**t. They're not, they're really really good. So that's data point one - something very very unlikely has actually already happened. Ergo, it could happen again.

Secondly, this situation will come to an end. There will be a point where ill health, a failing voice and/or band disintegration will make it impossible or undesirable to tour. He's not a young man, and his tour almost fell apart this time. So there is change on the horizon - either Chris C steps back up into guitar when Dave is back, or Dylan returns, or Von says to himself 'it's been a good run, I'll quit now." If that last one happens then that's it. No more Sisters.

But I can also imagine a situation where he thinks to himself, 'okay, if I'm not touring anymore, I'll do an album' to leave a record of the songs, and to steer some residual cash towards the guys like Ben, Chris, Dave and Dylan who don't technically 'own' a part of the sisters, but have kept the band afloat as hired hands for almost 20 years. See where I'm going with this? Now, he might not. But he might.

But in all this the one thing we can be absolutely 100 per cent certain of, is change.

So basically, can we agree that it's totally up to him to decide if and when(ever) he wats to record and release it.

BTW, at one think he is very consistent in his statement - nowadays you're not making money out of recording, Spotify and other streaming services is not a source of income unless your song(s) hit billions of play, the only reason would be to tell press and fans: this is something new we got, we will be promoting it live, come and see; which is not a case with the Sisters it's done, people and press know it, by the sheer fact.

TheGoodSon wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023, 09:33

Bartek wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023, 08:45

Todashi wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 08:55

Yep, very hard to argue with that. 32 years is a long time. But things change. First off, if you go back a few years, the idea that they'd add a new guitarist and trot out ten songs or so that were really good and worked well - effectively a fourth album, just performed live rather than recorded - would have seemed very unlikely. For literally decades, people had been saying 'He's scared to put anything out because he's left it so long it couldn't compete with the past etc" And then he did.

And of all the criticisms lobbed at him, I haven't heard many people say the new songs are s**t. They're not, they're really really good. So that's data point one - something very very unlikely has actually already happened. Ergo, it could happen again.

Secondly, this situation will come to an end. There will be a point where ill health, a failing voice and/or band disintegration will make it impossible or undesirable to tour. He's not a young man, and his tour almost fell apart this time. So there is change on the horizon - either Chris C steps back up into guitar when Dave is back, or Dylan returns, or Von says to himself 'it's been a good run, I'll quit now." If that last one happens then that's it. No more Sisters.

But I can also imagine a situation where he thinks to himself, 'okay, if I'm not touring anymore, I'll do an album' to leave a record of the songs, and to steer some residual cash towards the guys like Ben, Chris, Dave and Dylan who don't technically 'own' a part of the sisters, but have kept the band afloat as hired hands for almost 20 years. See where I'm going with this? Now, he might not. But he might.

But in all this the one thing we can be absolutely 100 per cent certain of, is change.

So basically, can we agree that it's totally up to him to decide if and when(ever) he wats to record and release it.

BTW, at one think he is very consistent in his statement - nowadays you're not making money out of recording, Spotify and other streaming services is not a source of income unless your song(s) hit billions of play, the only reason would be to tell press and fans: this is something new we got, we will be promoting it live, come and see; which is not a case with the Sisters it's done, people and press know it, by the sheer fact.

Agree 100% that making music these days is quite possibly the worst moneymaking scheme out there. Records hardly sell, streaming services provide very small revenues.
But, stepping away from The Sisters specifically for a moment: does that then mean that ALL bands whose name/brand is big enough to sell concert tickets even without the "promotional push" that a record can give should stop putting out new music? That that would be The Smart Thing To Do? I´m talking everyone from Taylor Swift to Nick Cave to Metallica. Should they all just stop releasing new music, because they still sell tickets? Is that the kind of the musical landscape that we want, one that exists only in the live venues?
I think this is a very fascinating discussion.

Bartek wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023, 08:45 So basically, can we agree that it's totally up to him to decide if and when(ever) he wats to record and release it.

DJW wrote: ↑09 Oct 2023, 15:44 There’s also the possibility in this day and age that a new release goes viral.

For example, When I’m on Fire could get picked up by a major sports broadcaster for use in some sort of tournament highlights reel and suddenly they’re back in the mainstream and streaming goes through the roof.

Todashi wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 08:55if you go back a few years, the idea that they'd add a new guitarist and trot out ten songs or so that were really good and worked well - effectively a fourth album, just performed live rather than recorded - would have seemed very unlikely.

Todashi wrote: ↑07 Oct 2023, 08:55
But in all this the one thing we can be absolutely 100 per cent certain of, is change.

Being645 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 11:40 A bit early for Halloween, Esoterica, but beyond that ... ... As to copyright from a reader/listener etc perspective it's always been the same
- We will steal what we cannot buy. ... Otherwise we were forced into idiocy... and the 90s were so sucking sadomaso and Darwinist ...

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 10:57

Being645 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 11:40 A bit early for Halloween, Esoterica, but beyond that ... ... As to copyright from a reader/listener etc perspective it's always been the same
- We will steal what we cannot buy. ... Otherwise we were forced into idiocy... and the 90s were so sucking sadomaso and Darwinist ...

its never too early for "Hello Ian"! i particularly enjoy all the preparation leading up to it as making WhizzWorld look dark, cobwebby y & skull-ridden takes no time at all! its like that all year round. Dont tend to like peeple called Ian though.... i'd apologise to any Ians on HL but as i dont know any its not meant personally.

Being645 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 12:08

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 10:57

Being645 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 11:40 A bit early for Halloween, Esoterica, but beyond that ... ... As to copyright from a reader/listener etc perspective it's always been the same
- We will steal what we cannot buy. ... Otherwise we were forced into idiocy... and the 90s were so sucking sadomaso and Darwinist ...

its never too early for "Hello Ian"! i particularly enjoy all the preparation leading up to it as making WhizzWorld look dark, cobwebby y & skull-ridden takes no time at all! its like that all year round. Dont tend to like peeple called Ian though.... i'd apologise to any Ians on HL but as i dont know any its not meant personally.

Fair enough, Brother Lee, and I surely didn't want to shy away anyone ... without variety life was a terrible mess... ...

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 12:32

Being645 wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 12:08

eastmidswhizzkid wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 10:57
its never too early for "Hello Ian"! i particularly enjoy all the preparation leading up to it as making WhizzWorld look dark, cobwebby y & skull-ridden takes no time at all! its like that all year round. Dont tend to like peeple called Ian though.... i'd apologise to any Ians on HL but as i dont know any its not meant personally.

Fair enough, Brother Lee, and I surely didn't want to shy away anyone ... without variety life was a terrible mess... ...

Please dont take a blind bit of notice of anything i say! my life is slowly falling to pieces in an incredible yet spectacular fashion right now so of course i am conversely surfing through the debris in some kind of end of days euphoria... so my opinions & judgements are questionable..

Elon wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023, 08:09 My take on the lack of recording is ego. AE doesn't want to screw up what he considers a perfect legacy with the three LPs.