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Posted: 06 Nov 2002, 08:53
by lachert
Yesterday I listen to Cure's Disintegration, and the title track have the same rhythm as Dominion/ Mother Russia.
Don't you think so? I'm not the drumer but it's very similar and in result it's 2:0 for Sisters
Posted: 17 May 2006, 21:11
by Finn
i think alot of bands got the same drum parts, mainly because there s only some rythems you can drum, its just the arrangement of guitars, bass and vocal (or more) that make the difference.
Posted: 17 May 2006, 21:58
by 9while9
Finn wrote:i think alot of bands got the same drum parts, mainly because there s only some rythems you can drum, its just the arrangement of guitars, bass and vocal (or more) that make the difference.
Listen to The Creatures, more specifically Budgie's use of percussion
and tell me that every band has similar drum parts.
I'm sure other drummers fall into the inventive category...
people help me out here?
Posted: 17 May 2006, 23:15
by Badlander
Posted: 18 May 2006, 00:55
by Finn
9while9 wrote:Finn wrote:i think alot of bands got the same drum parts, mainly because there s only some rythems you can drum, its just the arrangement of guitars, bass and vocal (or more) that make the difference.
Listen to The Creatures, more specifically Budgie's use of percussion
and tell me that every band has similar drum parts.
I'm sure other drummers fall into the inventive category...
people help me out here?
Mmmhh i dont really see your point.
I suggested a drummer has got like.. lets call it basic rythems.
And that basis is being used alot, with the result of alot of songs and bands using the same drum rythms.
I did
NOT say, ALL songs in the world revolve around the same drum parts, and i did
not say there were no people doing different things.
I love The Creatures and Budgie is one of my favorite drummers.
But lets take Ginger Fish (Marilyn Manson drummer) who s got no inspiration what so ever.
Posted: 18 May 2006, 02:26
by 9while9
Finn wrote:9while9 wrote:Finn wrote:i think alot of bands got the same drum parts, mainly because there s only some rythems you can drum, its just the arrangement of guitars, bass and vocal (or more) that make the difference.
But lets take Ginger Fish (Marilyn Manson drummer) who s got no inspiration what so ever.
Good point then..
And I may have jumped the gun and or tom tom...
But I'm watching you.....
Posted: 18 May 2006, 10:59
by Finn
and you seem like such a though guy in your avatar
Posted: 18 May 2006, 11:11
by Badlander
Posted: 18 May 2006, 17:00
by 9while9
Posted: 18 May 2006, 17:03
by 9while9
Posted: 18 May 2006, 17:24
by Badlander
Posted: 18 May 2006, 17:42
by James Blast
did someone mention my name or
James'?
Posted: 18 May 2006, 17:47
by 9while9
James Blast wrote:did someone mention my name or
James'?
Yes James now get back to designing......
I would like to see some of your work sometime?
If you'd like to share......
Posted: 18 May 2006, 18:12
by James Blast
you wouldn't want to see the stuff I do that pays the bills
the bits and bobs I do on here are for fun and the love of it
but thankee
9w9
Posted: 18 May 2006, 19:14
by 8.5
With rock and roll music, you practically have to have a song in 4/4 (which means four beats per measure, with the quarter note representing each beat, or whatever--it's just standard). Couple that with the fact that it depends pretty much on the snare hitting on the two and four, the bass hitting on 1 and 3, and a hi-hat or cymbal filling in the rest with sixteenth notes, and you get fairly similar rythyms in everything. Most bands spend their whole careers deviating little from this (I'd have to say most of the Doktor's parts pretty much follow the formula), and it seems almost pointless to try to release commercial music that doesn't follow it (people can't shop or dance to waltzes, I guess).
It's not just drums, how many bands out there just use twelve-bar blues, with a bassist hitting the root note? Also, see intro-verse-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-outro.
Posted: 19 May 2006, 11:15
by markfiend
Prog bands use a lot of different time signatures; probably the best known example is The Pink Floyd's
Money which is in 7/4 IIRC
Tool use a lot of "non-standard" time signatures too.
Back in the early days the Doktor
couldn't do anything other than 4/4 (see
Doctor Avalanche's tech notes) but these days they could probably get all sorts of time signatures from him... if they wanted to.
Posted: 19 May 2006, 12:20
by Badlander
8.5 wrote:With rock and roll music, you practically have to have a song in 4/4 (which means four beats per measure, with the quarter note representing each beat, or whatever--it's just standard). Couple that with the fact that it depends pretty much on the snare hitting on the two and four, the bass hitting on 1 and 3, and a hi-hat or cymbal filling in the rest with sixteenth notes, and you get fairly similar rythyms in everything. Most bands spend their whole careers deviating little from this (I'd have to say most of the Doktor's parts pretty much follow the formula), and it seems almost pointless to try to release commercial music that doesn't follow it (people can't shop or dance to waltzes, I guess).
It's not just drums, how many bands out there just use twelve-bar blues, with a bassist hitting the root note? Also, see intro-verse-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-outro.
Top post.
But erm... people can't dance to waltz ? Waltz
is dance music...
Maybe
modern people can't do waltz.
@
Mark : Tori Amos' Spark is pretty weird as well. I was told it was in 11/4 or even 11/7.
Posted: 19 May 2006, 13:17
by markfiend
The Cardiacs used to do a lot of stuff in 3/4 (waltz time) now I think.
And
Money is only
mostly in 7/4. There's a couple of sections in 4/4 too.
@
Eric: It can't be 11/7, there's no 7th note.
Maybe it's some parts 11/4, some 7/4.
Posted: 19 May 2006, 14:31
by Badlander
markfiend wrote:
@
Eric: It can't be 11/7, there's no 7th note.
Maybe it's some parts 11/4, some 7/4.
Posted: 20 May 2006, 01:32
by Wilkstein
Yesterday I listen to Cure's Disintegration, and the title track have the same rhythm as Dominion/ Mother Russia.
Don't you think so? I'm not the drumer but it's very similar and in result it's 2:0 for Sisters
I just heard a Led Zeppelin song that sounded just like Neverland. I guess it's 3:0 for Sisters.
Posted: 20 May 2006, 09:59
by Andy Gom
"still" refren sounds like main riff "detonation boulevard" and drums pattern in "Marian" sounds like all drum parts in songs of THE CULT
Posted: 20 May 2006, 10:09
by Badlander
Wilkstein wrote:
I just heard a Led Zeppelin song that sounded just like Neverland. I guess it's 3:0 for Sisters.
When the levee breaks. Did you skip the history class ?
BTW boys and girls, how about Detonation boulevard vs. Fascination street ?
Posted: 24 May 2006, 12:52
by MAtT
The Cure's "Six Different Ways" is a Waltz (3/4 Time)... you can dance to that (well at least smith does - lol).
Posted: 30 May 2006, 12:37
by Finn
mmhh allright.. so in the end we realized that?
Posted: 30 May 2006, 12:41
by Quiff Boy
surely "disintegration" v "unknown pleasures" is a better comparison?
just how many JD synth pads & fills can you steal & drop into one album?
see JD's "atmosphere" v the entire cure album