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Andrew-a high society chap?
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 16:12
by Nienna
Ok, this may be stupid but anyway...
Andrew's pronunciation and certain things he said somehow made me think he's from upper class. I may be wrong but I'm just wondering....do you think he was a private school boy?
That he's related to "important" people?
I haven't found anything about this so please tell me if there's an article about it...
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 16:17
by markfiend
The fact that he went to St John's College, Oxford, and was considering a career in the diplomatic service, before he discovered punk rock and "living above the Chemist", may suggest a certain social background.
But then again, he could have been in Oxford on a schol.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 16:20
by Nienna
indeed.... well, even if he IS from a "certain social background", they probably pretend they don't know him...
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 16:30
by eotunun
I think nowadays they´d rather pretend to know him!
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 16:38
by lazarus corporation
A childhood living with a father in the RAF followed by (the start of) an Oxbridge education generally gives you a degree of elocution, even if you don't end up with a degree in Chinese.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 16:53
by markfiend
lazarus corporation wrote:...a father in the RAF...
Oh, yes, he was a forces brat, wasn't he.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 19:23
by Maisey
He went to Malvern as a boy. Public School. Should tell you all you need to know. My Step father went to Malvern actually. I always enjoy saying "you know which famous person went to malvern?" to which people from up there answer "Elgar" to which I answer "Eldritch"
I make my own fun
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 20:48
by EvilBastard
Maisey wrote:He went to Malvern as a boy. Public School. Should tell you all you need to know. My Step father went to Malvern actually. I always enjoy saying "you know which famous person went to malvern?" to which people from up there answer "Elgar" to which I answer "Eldritch"
I make my own fun
Is this confirmed? I understood that his grandparents lived in the town, but it seemed unclear whether he attended MalCol (my alma mater too). Other famous OMs include Bernard Wetherall (former Warmer Of The Woolsack) and Jeremy "yeeeeeeeeees, right..." Paxman. Also Aleister "Frightfully Nice Man" Crowley, who legend has it nailed a kitten to the chapel door using 10 nails to see if it really had 9 lives (the b*stard).
And me, of course
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 22:26
by Ahráyeph
lazarus corporation wrote:A childhood living with a father in the RAF followed by (the start of) an Oxbridge education generally gives you a degree of elocution, even if you don't end up with a degree in Chinese.
I swear, I had nothing to do with that! (Sorry, after all the lame jokes I've had to put up with about this, I just couldn't resist doing one myself
)
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 22:27
by Maisey
Also Aleister "Frightfully Nice Man" Crowley, who legend has it nailed a kitten to the chapel door using 10 nails to see if it really had 9 lives (the b*stard).
Fantastic!
I have only read "moonchild". Because if a certain song
I have this compulsion to know whats going on, so I had to do my background reading.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 22:27
by weebleswobble
Summers spent shooting the poor, cucumber sandwiches on the lawn, amphetamines by the truck load.
These are the past times of the upper class, no?
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 22:27
by Badlander
EvilBastard wrote:Also Aleister "Frightfully Nice Man" Crowley, who legend has it nailed a kitten to the chapel door using 10 nails to see if it really had 9 lives (the b*stard).
Makes me want to learn black magic just so I can get him back to life and then kill him in the most shockingly painful way.
I do love cats that much. 
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 22:35
by Debaser
markfiend wrote:lazarus corporation wrote:...a father in the RAF...
Oh, yes, he was a forces brat, wasn't he.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 22:42
by EvilBastard
Maisey wrote:I have only read "moonchild". Because if a certain song
I have this compulsion to know whats going on, so I had to do my background reading.
I can highly recommend The Magical World of Aleister Crowley, by the late Francis X King - short biography, very readable, nicely objective.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 23:17
by dinky daisy
Jesus if some historian will find this Heartland material in 2666 he probably thinks Herr Von is a Saint.
C'mon kids, the more we know, the more we discover we don't know much and the less we know, the more we fantasy about the fact: what if we knew more
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 23:38
by weebleswobble
dinky daisy wrote:
C'mon kids, the more we know, the more we discover we don't know much and the less we know, the more we fantasy about the fact: what if we knew more
Answers on a postcard please
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 23:41
by Planet Dave
It's not where you're from, it's where you're at.
Unless you're a scouser.
Posted: 07 Feb 2007, 23:53
by weebleswobble
Planet Dave wrote:It's not where you're from, it's where you're at.
Unless you're a scouser.
Spoken like a true Manc B*stard
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 00:33
by Oliver
Also Aleister "Frightfully Nice Man" Crowley, who legend has it nailed a kitten to the chapel door using 10 nails to see if it really had 9 lives.
There nothing to be proud of...it only shows a weak level in arithmetic...
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 01:20
by Scottish One
me thinks andrew is in government now days just guessing
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 11:24
by markfiend
Debaser wrote:markfiend wrote:lazarus corporation wrote:...a father in the RAF...
Oh, yes, he was a forces brat, wasn't he.
In no way meant as an insult!
Anyhoo, the story of that old fraud Crowley nailing a kitten to the floor is most likely a tall tale put about by the man himself. Old Uncle Aleister excelled at self-publicism if nothing else.
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:00
by itnAklipse
He also excelled at higher intellectual pursuits but that's another thing. Moonchild is, up to a point, an inspired work, but it's clear he got bored of writing it after a while. The ending is a mess.
As for nailing the cat, i don't think so.
As for Eldritch, intelligent people usually rise above the masses in one way or another whether born above or not.
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:26
by Heartless
And I always thought the british would be snobs anyway... well, with the exception of the football fans which invade our german enclave on mallorca.
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:32
by markfiend
itnAklipse wrote:He also excelled at higher intellectual pursuits but that's another thing.
Well, yes, that's true. I can't quite seem to break the habit of being disparaging towards Crowley; I used to know a few thelemites, and they would get quite irate at me when I did it.
I also think he was a great practical joker:
Section 69 of The Book Of Lies wrote:69
{Kappa-Epsilon-Phi-Alpha-Lambda-Eta Xi-Theta}
THE WAY TO SUCCEED-AND THE WAY TO
SUCK EGGS!
This is the Holy Hexagram.
Plunge from the height, O God, and interlock with
Man!
Plunge from the height, O Man, and interlock with
Beast!
The Red Triangle is the descending tongue of grace;
the Blue Triangle is the ascending tongue of
prayer
This Interchange, the Double Gift of Tongues, the
Word of Double Power-ABRAHADABRA!-is
the sign of the GREAT WORK, for the GREAT
WORK is accomplished in Silence. And behold is
not that Word equal to Cheth, that is Cancer.
whose Sigil is {Cancer}?
This Work also eats up itself, accomplishes its own
end, nourishes the worker, leaves no seed, is perfect in itself.
Little children, love one another!
According to Robert A Wilson, this is the most important secret of ceremonial magick.
Posted: 08 Feb 2007, 15:38
by Ozpat
Ahráyeph wrote:lazarus corporation wrote:A childhood living with a father in the RAF followed by (the start of) an Oxbridge education generally gives you a degree of elocution, even if you don't end up with a degree in Chinese.
I swear, I had nothing to do with that! (Sorry, after all the lame jokes I've had to put up with about this, I just couldn't resist doing one myself
)
I do like stupid jokes like that Raf....
