Heartland

Hi,
I'm sorry if this comes off as an incredibly silly question that google should've taken care of, but I couldn't find much in the wiki or through a few google queries so I figured I'd asked the more obsessive people in the community - I'm sure this is the right place to find you

What's the story behind the Star and Head logo? Where does it come from and what does it signify?

The original comes from Gray's Anatomy. Not the show. And without the star. Hope that helps. The redesign if I recall was done in the 90s by Andrea White. Could be mistaken in the latter's name.

original logo:

the head is taken from the above mentioned medical text book and shows the dissection lines for a human head

http://images.google.com/images?q=anato ... lines+head

iirc they flipped the original image because it looked better the other way around

the star behind it is just a graphic device, added because it looked nice (although comparisons with suicide's 'red star' motif have been drawn as andrew and gary were both big fans of suicide - http://is.gd/tQxg )

the new logo:

yep, a leeds-based designer called andrea white did a series of logo and 'eldritch body' treatments in the early 90s (ie" under the gun - http://sisterswiki.org/index.php/Under_the_Gun_single ), most of which can be found in the 'postcards from above the chemist' lyrics book ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Postcards-above ... B001ETUEUW ), or in back-issues of 'under the rock' fanzine (scans are available in the heartland image gallery - http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/ca ... p?cat_id=7 )

meaning:

none as such. its purely an aesthetic device...

Everybody knows that's it's just potent dark imagery - it's literal translation is "Big Goth", (just look at the Pentagram)

aha

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/de ... age_id=832

to be fair though - what a great logo it was - instantly memorable and easily applied to a black leather jacket (helllllo boys!!

not to mention having just the right amount of "goth" (noooooo - dont use that word!) vibes : )

Ah, but everyone avoided the interesting question that is, what does it mean? Or why is it used? Even if it was never explicitly discussed, there's still a reason as to why it was used other than 'oh that looks nice' surely?

I have a few ideas, but I would be interested to hear why others think first.

Facts about where it came from are just boring and irrelevant (to me).

the_inescapable_truth wrote:Ah, but everyone avoided the interesting question that is, what does it mean? Facts about where it came from are boring and largely irrelevant.

ah - but as far as i have heard - there is no real meaning - it was just an image that andrew saw in a book and liked the head and shoulders image. the rest as they say.....

the_inescapable_truth wrote:Ah, but everyone avoided the interesting question that is, what does it mean? Or why is it used? Even if it was never explicitly discussed, there's still a reason as to why it was used.

Facts about where it came from are boring and irrelevant (to me).

I seem to remember an explanation along the lines of "wanting to get inside your head. By any means necessary..."

Edit: Aha! there you go vvvvvvv

inz wrote: an incredibly silly question

Indeed!

They need to get inside your head. By any means necessary.

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/fa ... nce_urlogo

Debi wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote:Ah, but everyone avoided the interesting question that is, what does it mean? Facts about where it came from are boring and largely irrelevant.

ah - but as far as i have heard - there is no real meaning - it was just an image that andrew saw in a book and liked the head and shoulders image. the rest as they say.....

I don't buy it. Even if Von just stumbled upon the image and just thought 'that's nice' there's still a reason he thought it was nice - even if left unstated. The pose is a very classical, paintery pose. Am I the only one who thinks it looks merciful for example?

Ozpat wrote:

inz wrote: an incredibly silly question

Indeed!

They need to get inside your head. By any means necessary.

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/fa ... nce_urlogo

yup - thats the quote. i have definately heard him describe it as head and shoulders..........

Ozpat wrote:

inz wrote: an incredibly silly question

Indeed!

They need to get inside your head. By any means necessary.

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/fa ... nce_urlogo

Interesting!

the_inescapable_truth wrote:
I don't buy it. Even if Von just stumbled upon the image and just thought 'that's nice' there's still a reason he thought it was nice - even if left unstated. The pose is a very classical, paintery pose. Am I the only one who thinks it looks merciful for example?

Do buy it in the Sisters FAQ's of the boring kind.

It doesn't look merciful. Even not for example. It looks 'suffering' IMO.

urgh though. when you look at the picture quiff boy put up - the skin is being peeled back!?

i recon he thought that a good idea for a logo when off his face !!

Ozpat wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote:
I don't buy it. Even if Von just stumbled upon the image and just thought 'that's nice' there's still a reason he thought it was nice - even if left unstated. The pose is a very classical, paintery pose. Am I the only one who thinks it looks merciful for example?

Do buy it in the Sisters FAQ's of the boring kind.

It doesn't look merciful. Even not for example. It looks 'suffering' IMO.

you'd be suffering with your head on a block and yer face being dissected Ozpat!!

Ozpat wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote:
I don't buy it. Even if Von just stumbled upon the image and just thought 'that's nice' there's still a reason he thought it was nice - even if left unstated. The pose is a very classical, paintery pose. Am I the only one who thinks it looks merciful for example?

Do buy it in the Sisters FAQ's of the boring kind.

It doesn't look merciful. Even not for example. It looks 'suffering' IMO.

Still don't buy it. All I that means it is that he is tired of people asking about it and perhaps he would prefer people to think about if for themselves. And anyway you've already provided a quote which seems to add explanation to the use of the logo significantly!

I would agree with the suffering thing though. It looks suffering which makes me think of being merciful..

Debi wrote:

Ozpat wrote:

inz wrote: an incredibly silly question

Indeed!

They need to get inside your head. By any means necessary.

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/fa ... nce_urlogo

yup - thats the quote. i have definately heard him describe it as head and shoulders..........

Because dandruff ruins black clothes?

silentNate wrote:

Debi wrote:

Ozpat wrote: Indeed!

They need to get inside your head. By any means necessary.

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/fa ... nce_urlogo

yup - thats the quote. i have definately heard him describe it as head and shoulders..........

Because dandruff ruins black clothes?

excellent

the_inescapable_truth wrote:

Ozpat wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote:
I don't buy it. Even if Von just stumbled upon the image and just thought 'that's nice' there's still a reason he thought it was nice - even if left unstated. The pose is a very classical, paintery pose. Am I the only one who thinks it looks merciful for example?

Do buy it in the Sisters FAQ's of the boring kind.

It doesn't look merciful. Even not for example. It looks 'suffering' IMO.

Still don't buy it. All I that means it is that he is tired of people asking about it and perhaps he would prefer people to think about if for themselves. And anyway you've already provided a quote which seems to add explanation to the use of the logo significantly!

I would agree with the suffering thing though. It looks suffering which makes me think of being merciful..

why did you pick that "the_inescapable_truth" as your avatar then?

Debi wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote:

Ozpat wrote: Do buy it in the Sisters FAQ's of the boring kind.

It doesn't look merciful. Even not for example. It looks 'suffering' IMO.

Still don't buy it. All I that means it is that he is tired of people asking about it and perhaps he would prefer people to think about if for themselves. And anyway you've already provided a quote which seems to add explanation to the use of the logo significantly!

I would agree with the suffering thing though. It looks suffering which makes me think of being merciful..

why did you pick that "the_inescapable_truth" as your avatar then?

Pretty much because Cézanne taught me that the beauty of life is in the what others often see as the 'insignificant' details and it has since become a big part of how I approach life. It sums me up really.

I like the colour and simplicity of 'Apples, Peaches, Pears and Grapes' especially.

the_inescapable_truth wrote:

Debi wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote: Still don't buy it. All I that means it is that he is tired of people asking about it and perhaps he would prefer people to think about if for themselves. And anyway you've already provided a quote which seems to add explanation to the use of the logo significantly!

I would agree with the suffering thing though. It looks suffering which makes me think of being merciful..

why did you pick that "the_inescapable_truth" as your avatar then?

Pretty much because Cézanne taught me that the beauty of life is in the what others often see as the 'insignificant' details and it has since become a big part of how I approach life. It sums me up really.

I like the colour and simplicity of 'Apples, Peaches, Pears and Grapes' especially.

fair enough - i was just being nosey!!!

so what we have here is a bit of an oxymoron situation in that andrew thinks the question asking about his logo is a boring one and insulting as the interviewer hasn't read up anything about them and is asking all the usual questions - where as the questioner doesn't beleive what he has read about the simple explanation and thinks there is more to it and wants to know.

its a lose lose one really!

Debi wrote:

Ozpat wrote:

the_inescapable_truth wrote:
I don't buy it. Even if Von just stumbled upon the image and just thought 'that's nice' there's still a reason he thought it was nice - even if left unstated. The pose is a very classical, paintery pose. Am I the only one who thinks it looks merciful for example?

Do buy it in the Sisters FAQ's of the boring kind.

It doesn't look merciful. Even not for example. It looks 'suffering' IMO.

you'd be suffering with your head on a block and yer face being dissected Ozpat!!

Waw!