London, Forum 12th and 13th Febuary 1998

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A question or two ...

Visions at the Forum is obviously a bootleg of the second Event Horizon gig in London on Feb, 12.

However, there seems to be another bootleg called Friday the 13th ... :eek: ... Any information about this?

Furthermore, it is said that audio recordings and an
audience shot film exist for Thursday, 12 February 1998 ...
But these - again - are no official bootlegs, are they?

Thanks in advance for any enlightenments ...
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yeah, video exist for both night but second is incomplete (missing first two tracks and intro). for my knowledge "friday the 13th" is the different source recording that "visions at the forum" (more complete but alsow missing 2 tracks), someone even said that is sbd recording (i don't know, still waiting for it), but for me is not "silver-official" bootleg but cd-r.
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Being645 wrote:
But these - again - are no official bootlegs, are they?
Could you please give a defination of a official bootleg?

- Silver cd? - Vinyl? - CDR? DVDR? Tape?

Isn´t there a difference from bootleg and recorded things?

Well, I don´t know, but not every tape or CDR is a bootleg for me...

Maybe it´s just me...
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17.auflage wrote:
Being645 wrote:
But these - again - are no official bootlegs, are they?
Could you please give a defination of a official bootleg?

- Silver cd? - Vinyl? - CDR? DVDR? Tape?

Isn´t there a difference from bootleg and recorded things?

Well, I don´t know, but not every tape or CDR is a bootleg for me...

Maybe it´s just me...
Well I think that Being645 with "official bootlegs" means records that are not homemade, ie pressed and released by some form of a company.
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lachert wrote:yeah, video exist for both night but second is incomplete (missing first two tracks and intro).
I have a VHS tape with both shows on,certainly part of one of the sets is missing,can't remember which,but you may well be right.I'll dig it out and let you know.
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17.auflage wrote:
Being645 wrote: But these - again - are no official bootlegs, are they?
Could you please give a definition of a official bootleg? - Silver cd? - Vinyl? - CDR? DVDR? Tape?

Isn´t there a difference from bootleg and recorded things?
Well, I don´t know, but not every tape or CDR is a bootleg for me... Maybe it´s just me...
Hi, 17.auflage, it's surely not just you ... :)... I had, in fact, hoped to get a definition as such from the initiated ... :lol: ...

We all know where to get a vast variety of shows from,
but that doesn't mean that there were bootlegs of these recordings with ...

a) a good or professional quality recording on
b] quality recording media with
c) a title and
d) some artwork, accordingly ...

or that they were
e) circulating in more or less official marketplaces like ebay

Although, I think the later point has become somewhat negligible, since for example the Wiki counts
exactly 8 !!! live bootlegs for the years from 2000 to 2009. But I know there are great DVDs and
recordings from the current decade like all the following (and probably many more] ...

So are these all bootlegs or not??? :eek: :eek: :eek: ... if so, I shall add them to the bootlegs list in the wiki
Driven By Angels (Nottingham 3.09.2000)
Mera Luna Festival 12.08.2000

Anniversary Gig (York 16.02.2001)
Brand New Darkness (Leeds 17.02.2001)
Dark Clouds Above Me (Birmingham 20.02.2001)
Through The Dark Night (London 23.02.2001
Crashed Out In Berlin (Berlin 1.03.2001)
Another Black Hole In The Sky (Erfurt 2.03.2001)
Cologne 2001 (Cologne 6.03.2001)
Capricorn (Zurich 7.03.2001)
Arvika Festival 2001 (Arvika 12.07.2001)

Bexrock Festival 2002 (Bex 28.06.2002)
Somewhere Sometimes (St Vith 28.07.2002)

Sisters In Amsterdam 2003 (Amsterdam 30.03.2003)
Guten Abend, Leipzig (Leipzig 2.04.2003)
Voix Celeste (Berlin 6.04.2003)
Magdeburg 2003 (Magdeburg 10.04.2003)
Munchen 2003 (Munchen 14.04.2003)
My Sister Angel (London 19.04.2003)
Finding Neverland (Wolverhampton 20.04.2003)
Something Beautiful (Bristol 22.04.2003)
This War Is Wrong (Manchester 23.04.2003)
Glasgow 2003 (Glasgow 24.04.2003)
2nd night at Black Canvas (Leeds 27.04.2003)

Live In Tilburg 2005 (6.08.2005)
Another Shade of Andrew (Lokeren 08.08.2005)
Vienna 2005 (Vienna 11.08.2005)
Love Planet Festival 2005 (Tabor 12.08.2005)
Incoming M'era Luna 2005 (Hildesheim 14.08.2005)

Las Vegas 2006 (Las Vegas 16.02.2006)
Toronto 2006 (Toronto 10.03.2006)
Athens 2006 (Athens 1.04.2006)
Madrid 2006 (Madrid 7.04.2006)
Spanish Bombs (Barcelona 8.04.2006)
Malmö 1616; 2006 (Malmö 17.04.2006)
Live In Copenhagen 2006 (19.04.2006)
Bielefeld 2006 (Bielefeld 21.04.2006)
Back in Brussels (Brussels 22.04.2006)
Cologne 2006 (Cologne 25.04.2006)
Luxembourg 2006 (Esch-Sur-Alzette 29.04.2006)
Sisters From The Red Light District (Amsterdam 30.04.2006)
Live At Astoria 2006 (London 2.05.2006)
Leeds 2006 (Leeds 3.05.2006)
Norwich 2006 (Norwich 6.05.2006)
Live In Nottingham 2006 (7.05.2006)
Glasgow 2006 (Glasgow 8.05.2006)
Live At; Razzmatazz 1 (Barcelona 13.05.2006)
Sao Paulo 2006 (Sao Paulo 19.05.2006)
Krakow 2006 (Krakow 10.06.2006)
Bratislava 2006 (Bratislava 11.06.2006)
The Angel From Belgrade (Belgrade 13.06.2006)
Acid Attack (Nickelsdorf 16.06.2006)
Ljubljana 2006 (Ljubljana 19.06.2006)
Budapest 2006 (Budapest 23.06.2006)
Moscow 2006 (Moscow 7.12.2006)

Live Connecticut 24.11.2008

Mechanised Cologne (Köln 06.03.2009)
Mechanised Dresden (Dresden 28.02.2009)
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For me a bootleg is a record that is professionally pressed and released, such as Palazzograssi and Kiss The Stone releases.

Of course the recordings of concerts made by fans are also bootlegs, but they are more listed in my head as live recordings.

That's why I had such a hard time with the bootleg section with all these homemade covers (and I'm sure that there is some in my bootleg list) :(

Of course that brings up the questions of all those homemade pressings and releases that comes up every now and then...
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I'm sure that someone here is able to explain and sort this out, properly.
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ok, most of them are recordings in good or better or less quality.

Some apeared in silver pressed form.

I also have some tapes with obscure names...
but...I never woild call this a bootleg. Sorry. If yo would count this, I will send you al ist with 278 different titles for 123 tapes...
:-)

but: I don´t know when a bootleg is a bootleg...
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17.auflage wrote:ok, most of them are recordings in good or better or less quality.



but: I don´t know when a bootleg is a bootleg...
:lol:
For me,a bootleg is a recording of a band,usually live,but not always,that has been released in any form without the permission of the band/record label.None of the price of the tape/video/cd/dvd goes to the band.
When I first started buying Sisters bootlegs in 1985/85 all you could get were mainly tape recordings of live gigs with very simply printed paper sleeves.This progressed to vinyl with much better sleeves on to video's of live shows and stuff recorded from television (remember in say 1989 there was no internet,no youtube,the only chance you would get to see the Sisters Whistle Test performance was on a grainy vhs tape)
Eventually we end up with pressed cd and dvd,and doubtless soon blu ray.
But they are essentially the same as my 25 year old tape of Eldritch and the gang from Nottingham Rock City,simply a better version of it.
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17.auflage wrote:I will send you al ist with 278 different titles for 123 tapes... :)
:D ... yes, please ... I shall check that list with mine and see what I can
make of it ....

anyway it's work in progress ... and therefore it will probably take some time
to organise this properly within the Wiki ...

Thanks, ribbons69, for your explanation ... that gets things very much down to earth ... ;D ... :notworthy: ...
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