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So much for relativity

Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 20:42
by stufarq

Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 21:11
by moses
'This doesn't mean Albert Einstein was wrong, any more than his theory of Special Relativity meant Isac Newton was wrong. '

Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 21:48
by Bartek
If it turn out to be true it will mean that Einstein was right about atoms. He didn't got same tools and knowledge like Mr and Mrs from CERN.

Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 22:04
by Salome
Dr Whitehouse said the findings technically meant that time travel might be possible.
Now that I want to see! 8)

Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 23:10
by Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
Salome wrote:
Dr Whitehouse said the findings technically meant that time travel might be possible.
Now that I want to see! 8)
I think I saw a film about that back in the 80's.
As for Einstein - anyone can make a wee mistake.

Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 09:29
by timsinister
There could be a wealth of alternative explanations - extradimensional transference, or maybe a new form of energy field we haven't yet encountered...

The possibilities are endless! We live in exciting times.

Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 10:15
by markfiend
The smart money is on it being an error in the measurements.

*Edit to add: seems xkcd agrees with me:

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Anyone want to bet $200? :twisted:

Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 16:52
by stufarq
moses wrote:'This doesn't mean Albert Einstein was wrong, any more than his theory of Special Relativity meant Isac Newton was wrong. '
No but it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. And it should remind us all that many absolute scientific truths only remain true until someone comes up with a better truth. The world ain't flat any more either.

Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 18:29
by Bartek
Yes, and that is what we call 'progress'.
and btw.- I just bought 'brief history of time'; it looks that I can throw it now. :lol:

Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 18:38
by James Blast
"We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here" said the bartender.
A neutrino walks into a bar.

Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 19:29
by moses
stufarq wrote: No but it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. And it should remind us all that many absolute scientific truths only remain true until someone comes up with a better truth. The world ain't flat any more either.
There are no truths in science, only questions and theories

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 11:29
by markfiend
moses wrote:There are no truths in science, only questions and theories
Technically that is the case, but...

If (and it's a big if) the result is confirmed, and the neutrinos really were travelling faster than light, it just means that there are borderline circumstances in which relativity isn't a complete description. (And we knew that anyway; relativity can't currently be reconciled with quantum theory at the sub-atomic scale.)

The computer you're reading this on, your sat-nav, your DVD player, and all sorts of other things, all rely on relativity being "true" in all other circumstances.

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 22:04
by million voices
I don't really understand

Are they now saying that relativity is only relatively true

or is it

These neutrino johnnies haven't yet been drugs tested

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 22:12
by Bartek
They said that it was tested 1500 times. Special deliveries from Switzerland to Italy.

Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 22:35
by Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
timsinister wrote:There could be a wealth of alternative explanations - extradimensional transference, or maybe a new form of energy field we haven't yet encountered...

The possibilities are endless! We live in exciting times.
Judging by your current avatar I suspect that you know more about this than you're letting on, Tim :)