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Bloody hell...at last.

http://www.fields-of-the-nephilim.com/2011NEWS3.html

Excellent news


Was almost thinking that this DVD was like the fabled Sisters Fourth album

I'd rather not have the DVD and have the polished versions of the "Fallen" demos. Or the new material that was apparantly ready to be released five years ago. I'm not shelling out for the same stuff yet again.

and when it happens...

<---breff not being held

... I don't care.

new The Sisters ellpee?

Gollum's Cock wrote:Bloody hell...at last.

Only four years from show to DVD release ?? McCoy always was an amateur in the Eldritch wannabe stakes.

Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:

Gollum's Cock wrote:Bloody hell...at last.

Only four years from show to DVD release ?? McCoy always was an amateur in the Eldritch wannabe stakes.

... anyway, he can still try compete with the ranges of Wayne ...

Oh goody! Promises from Carl!

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I'll believe it when I'll see it.

The Europe-wide deal marks the next chapter in the band’s evolution, and heralds a new dawn for their legions of fans around the world.

Legions, right....

EMI... wowsa, didn't see that coming

Let's hope it actually materialises.

Am a bit bemused as to why any of us would want to purchase a live album, it's not like Carl's famed for his banter with the crowd at gigs. I hope it doesn't turn out to be the sound track to the live DVD, that takes money-grabbing cynicism to CoF proportions.

Being well aware of my reputation as a nay-sayer, I have to ask if I was the only one who didn't think "Mourning Sun" was anything special? After the "Fallen" demos, which were really rather good, we ended up with an album where you get earstrain trying to hear anything apart from McCoy's vocals and power chords. There ARE good songs on the album, but they're ruine by the awful mix and Carl's habit of recording three minutes of song and then adding five minutes of techno-wankery, tinkly Tubular Bells noises and choirs to the end of them.

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DeWinter wrote: Am a bit bemused as to why any of us would want to purchase a live album, it's not like Carl's famed for his banter with the crowd at gigs. I hope it doesn't turn out to be the sound track to the live DVD, that takes money-grabbing cynicism to CoF proportions.

Being well aware of my reputation as a nay-sayer, I have to ask if I was the only one who didn't think "Mourning Sun" was anything special? After the "Fallen" demos, which were really rather good, we ended up with an album where you get earstrain trying to hear anything apart from McCoy's vocals and power chords. There ARE good songs on the album, but they're ruine by the awful mix and Carl's habit of recording three minutes of song and then adding five minutes of techno-wankery, tinkly Tubular Bells noises and choirs to the end of them.

Spot on as usual, DeWinter. the last live album was so polished that it bore no relation to the usual gruff echoey stuff they played live and drastically improved the likes of Trees Come down for example. as for the banter - if it was a good gig you might get a "thanks, good night" if you were lucky. Better than a po-faced lecture on Wicca though, I suppose (which he saved for the lyrics).
And how many people need another live DVD to go with the three already released. there's only so much watching other people sitting on each other's shoulders sending showers of ripped up phone book into the air a person can take.
And as for Mourning Sun ("Morning, Dad"), there's a great review on Amazon UK where it's described as like opening Goth Time Capsule from 1987. At least TON had the decency to give all the inter-song wankery track numbers - it's what the skip button was invented for.

DeWinter wrote:Am a bit bemused as to why any of us would want to purchase a live album, it's not like Carl's famed for his banter with the crowd at gigs. I hope it doesn't turn out to be the sound track to the live DVD, that takes money-grabbing cynicism to CoF proportions.

Being well aware of my reputation as a nay-sayer, I have to ask if I was the only one who didn't think "Mourning Sun" was anything special? After the "Fallen" demos, which were really rather good, we ended up with an album where you get earstrain trying to hear anything apart from McCoy's vocals and power chords. There ARE good songs on the album, but they're ruine by the awful mix and Carl's habit of recording three minutes of song and then adding five minutes of techno-wankery, tinkly Tubular Bells noises and choirs to the end of them.

A thoroughly disappointing record indeed. Even the songwriting is subpar. McCoy at his best needed those other guys. And--as the Rubicon record proved, I think--they needed him. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. The parts with other dudes attached are just dull. So, er... spot-on assessment on your part.

I agree with Mark.
Mourning Sun was way more convincing than the band trying to be a credible death metal band.

I wanted to like Mourning Sun. I just thought it was dullsville--iffy production and and iffy songwriting.

Zoon, on the other hand, was (and still is) unassailably brilliant. Almost as good as or maybe even as good as The Nephilim, which I think was the band's peak.

sultan2075 wrote:... The Nephilim, which I think was the band's peak.

Agreed. Totally.

markfiend wrote:

sultan2075 wrote:... The Nephilim, which I think was the band's peak.

Agreed. Totally.

Yep, me too. I think Elyzium was a great attempt to explore (not so) new grounds and give this musical movement a new way out. I really like this record too.

Elyzium sounds like the Nephilim trying to be a Pink Floyd cover band to my ears. That's not a bad thing, mind you, but it's tough to beat The Nephilim.

Bertran De Born wrote:

markfiend wrote:

sultan2075 wrote:... The Nephilim, which I think was the band's peak.

Agreed. Totally.

Yep, me too. I think Elyzium was a great attempt to explore (not so) new grounds and give this musical movement a new way out. I really like this record too.

Me too. The big disappointment with Mourning Sun was that it had taken him 15 years to come up songs directly ripped off from the Sisters (title track, a copy of SKOS) and KJ (Xiberia = Pssyche) to name but two. It also had the Tubular Bells-style stuff which started on Elyzium to wade through, whereas The Nephilim was pure quality, with no 'cracks and hollows'

sultan2075 wrote:Elyzium sounds like the Nephilim trying to be a Pink Floyd cover band to my ears. That's not a bad thing, mind you, but it's tough to beat The Nephilim.

I totally agree, that's why I think these two albums are their finests!
You can give them some credits to have tried & moved on after "the nephilim", and not trying to do "the nephilim II, the return of the vengeance"

I'll put my hand up and say I like "Elyzium" better than anything else done by Carl, Andy or Wayne. I think at the time of "Elyzium" we were being subjected to Von Bon Jovi and "Visionary When Wet/Slippery Thing"!
Maybe it's the brilliant production (which makes you wonder what "Mourning Sun" could have been with a decent producer) and "Sumerland" which proudly claims the DeWinter position of "Best Song Ever".
As for "Zoon"..just not my type of music, so I guess I'm not the best judge. Friends of mine who liked Pantera loved it, so they got my copy. Judging by the quite remarkable airy-fairy floatiness of Rubicon's first offering I suppose McCoy left the band because he wanted to do something "harder".

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