Wheel turns full circle - Bowie influenced by Von ??

[Nikolas Vitus Lagartija]

A couple of reviewers of the new Bowie album The Next Day have mentioned a possible TSOM influence, and a couple of tracks (including one mentioned in one of the reviews here) certainly have a, well, gothy feel to them :

http://www.meg.ie/david-bowie-the-next-day/
http://www.goldenplec.com/david-bowie-t ... ay-review/

Can anyone else see the similarity ??

[Being645]

A couple of reviewers of the new Bowie album The Next Day have mentioned a possible TSOM influence, and a couple of tracks (including one mentioned in one of the reviews here) certainly have a, well, gothy feel to them :
Can anyone else see the similarity ??

http://www.meg.ie/david-bowie-the-next-day/

The keyboards on the dramatic Love Is Lost are almost goth, messrs Eldritch and co will give a knowing wink on this one ...

.. even more the guitars, IMO ...


http://www.goldenplec.com/david-bowie-t ... ay-review/

Bowie’s voice all the while sounding rejuvenated and bizarrely similar to Sisters of Mercy frontman Andrew Eldritch.

Fair enough, and very cool, they mention Goth, The Sisters and Andrew Eldritch ... ... ...

[iesus]

If Love is Lost is this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8zLRcDPCqc then there are some influences - more in Guitars i believe too - also the backing vocals reminds me TSOM at their best
I think will hear all the work in this album more careful when got it...

[Nikolas Vitus Lagartija]

No, for me it's keyboards too. It sounds like a real rip-off of the Gift era, especially Rain from Heaven (but with a bit of Colours in the mix too). I was a bit surprised it hadn't been mentioned yet on HL knowing how many people here of fans of both and Bowie, as it seems an obvious example of "riff stealing" but perhaps it's just in my head (and that of an Irish journalist).

[centurionofprix]

It does sound like Gift! (even if it hasn't fulfilled the extremely strict criteria for inclusion in the "riff stealing" thread)

Von laments that he would have preferred his musical influence to be more in a Neil Young/R.E.M. than a goff direction - maybe Bowie will do. Although it still gets labeled a "gothic" influence...

[jparton]

Bowie, legend, is influenced, no copied even, someone that hasn't released a record in 20 years and has charted half a dozen times in 30 years...

...only here

[iesus]

Golf influence ?
No, can't be

Bowie inspired, perhaps.. more likely to happen

[Nikolas Vitus Lagartija]

Bowie, legend, is influenced, no copied even, someone that hasn't released a record in 20 years and has charted half a dozen times in 30 years...

...only here

Just telling it how I hear it. Does it not even vaguely remind you of The Sisterhood ? And are there rules about who's allowed to influence/inspire who ? The Velvets weren't exactly chart regulars but I bet you could name dozens of bands they influenced/influenced. IMHO Love is Lost is the best thing Bowie's done in years but at the end of the day it's all about opinion.

[Bartek]

that's true that charts appearance is not a good tool to say that band was influenced (Devo, Wire, Bauhaus, to name very few). but i cannot agree that Bowie use TSOM/Siterhood tunes; Bowie recorded and wrote music and albums and been through almost all music genres that Bowie probably was inspired by Bowie.

[Nikolas Vitus Lagartija]

Bowie recorded and wrote music and albums and been through almost all music genres that Bowie probably was inspired by Bowie.

Probably the case here too, seeing as Eldritch was both directly and indirectly (Steve Harley, Psychedelic Furs) influenced by the great man. And the Sisterhood project seemed to have quite a strong Krautrock influence anyway, as did Bowie's Berlin period. As the Irish reviewer stated, Bowie is simply "giving a knowing wink" to . I'm not suggesting Candelmaesse should be claiming the royalties !

[Being645]

Bowie recorded and wrote music and albums and been through almost all music genres that Bowie probably was inspired by Bowie.

Probably the case here too, seeing as Eldritch was both directly and indirectly (Steve Harley, Psychedelic Furs) influenced by the great man. And the Sisterhood project seemed to have quite a strong Krautrock influence anyway, as did Bowie's Berlin period. As the Irish reviewer stated, Bowie is simply "giving a knowing wink" to . I'm not suggesting Candelmaesse should be claiming the royalties !

And while the original quote was quite to contrary,

The keyboards on the dramatic Love Is Lost are almost goth, messrs Eldritch and co will give a knowing wink on this one ...

I'd agree anytime that people influence each other - and of course in both directions. We were we if that oughta be different? All long dead, I guess.

Anyway, I find it far more interesting that Bowie's taken on the issue of "Valentine's Day" ...

[Anachonda]

I think the first song called 'the next day' sounds like a slower paced 'Vision Thing', thought so by the very first time I heard it. Anyone agrees?

[Being645]

I think the first song called 'the next day' sounds like a slower paced 'Vision Thing', thought so by the very first time I heard it. Anyone agrees?

Now that you say it, true ... the repetitive character of the chorus (not only, but especially noticalbe there) is indeed quite similar ... ...

[Nikolas Vitus Lagartija]

I think the first song called 'the next day' sounds like a slower paced 'Vision Thing', thought so by the very first time I heard it. Anyone agrees?

Now that you say it, true ... the repetitive character of the chorus (not only, but especially noticalbe there) is indeed quite similar ... ...

I can sort of see it too, but my earlier thoughts had been Talking-Heads-covering-Mother-Russia. After the wanton futurism of his releases of the past twenty years, where he seemed to be trying to convinvce himself and everyone else that he was still cutting edge, everything about the new album, from the CD cover to the individual tracks, seems to be a knowing look back to the new wave era of the late 70s and early 80s, both his own music and that of others whom Bowie had so inspired. As such, The Next Day is one of the most relevant releases to TSOM fans of the last few years, given 's self-confessed debt to the Thin White Duke. It's fantastic to hear the great man sounding relaxed about who he is and his legacy, and the effect on his music of this "il faut cultiver notre jardin" (Voltaire) attitude is liberating.
@Being Valentine's Day - I'm guessing NTTC ? Gimme Shelter ??

[Bartek]

I think the first song called 'the next day' sounds like a slower paced 'Vision Thing', thought so by the very first time I heard it. Anyone agrees?

Now that you say it, true ... the repetitive character of the chorus (not only, but especially noticalbe there) is indeed quite similar ... ...

not sure if it's sarcasm over sarcasm or taking sarcasm serious.

[Anachonda]

I think the first song called 'the next day' sounds like a slower paced 'Vision Thing', thought so by the very first time I heard it. Anyone agrees?

Now that you say it, true ... the repetitive character of the chorus (not only, but especially noticalbe there) is indeed quite similar ... ...

not sure if it's sarcasm over sarcasm or taking sarcasm serious.

Why should I be sarcastic? We're talking about two songs that sound a bit alike, it's not like we're debating something important bowie made an album that reflects on his German period, the Sisters are heavily influenced while living in Hamburg, it's no coincidence that they sound a bit alike.

[Bartek]

OK then, i was wrong, i read that post not as it should be read.
this weekend i'll have that album and maybe i'll change my mind- however i think it very unlikely. i mean, come on, as you wrote, if someone stole guitars it was A.E. Of course 'Floodland' has it impact on music scene, but it'a an exaggeration to think that Bowie stole A.E. guitar.

[Prescott]

"Love is Lost" definitely sounds quite a bit like "Rain From Heaven"! The Album artwork for "The Next Day" was also really intriguing to me, what with "HEROES" crossed out and all. I'm loving this album over all.

[Being645]

@Being Valentine's Day - I'm guessing NTTC ? Gimme Shelter ??

... if you go for that direction ... why not Something Fast ...

[Anachonda]

OK then, i was wrong, i read that post not as it should be read.
this weekend i'll have that album and maybe i'll change my mind- however i think it very unlikely. i mean, come on, as you wrote, if someone stole guitars it was A.E. Of course 'Floodland' has it impact on music scene, but it'a an exaggeration to think that Bowie stole A.E. guitar.

Indeed. I agree with you on that.

[Being645]

The keyboards on the dramatic Love Is Lost are almost goth, messrs Eldritch and co will give a knowing wink on this one ...

I'd agree anytime that people influence each other - and of course in both directions. Where were we if that oughta be different? All long dead, I guess.

Anyway, I find it far more interesting that Bowie's taken on the issue of "Valentine's Day" ...

Regarding "spelling/grammar mistakes" ... corrected that now (still shuddering ... ...)

[million voices]

..and as the shutters lifted an inch in some extremely flash apartment high in Manhattan, vari-coloured eyes gazed down on New York City.
Bowie thought to himself - it's coming up to 10 years since I've released an album I really want to do something. I want to make something thats better than Heroes (there's an ideaa for the cover) but I just can't get any inspiration.
Then his mind drifted back to an interview in 1995 when some pseudo-intellectual went banging on about if it wasn't better than your best work why bother - probably because he hadn't got a decent record deal or had run out of ideas.
He would base his new album on that chap's band - whoever he was. They were bound to have split up and been forgotten by now. He would get Co-co on the case tomorrow. No it was her day off well then the next day. The Next Day - that's got a ring to it.

Are you people serious????

[czuczu]

Coco hasn't had a day of since 1975 but otherwise I think you've nailed it

[bangles]

I've been listening to TND for the last month pretty constantly, and to my cloth ears, I can't hear a Sisters influence but I wouldn't discount it out of hand.
To me Bowie has always been pretty unique in is championing of other artist by name, covers, guesting or referencing them so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he's aware or even likes The Sisters. I remember him being a big Psychedelic Furs fan in the early 80's and there's a tenuous connection. It's a pity The Sisters & Bowie's release schedule never really coincided as there might have have had more cross over...(although sisters and release schedule in the same sentence - surely that's worth a prize?)
The potential influence from Bowie on the Sisters has been mentioned many times - I remember a Melody Maker review linking More to the original Cat People... Floodland to the Berlin era stuff, Vision Thing to Diamond Dogs & Scary Monsters...
It could be that the TND Sisters connection is Bowie sampling sounds that the Sisters had previously used - TND is a very self-referential album but who knows...

On a similar note: I cam across this excellent Bowie blog

http://bowiesongs.wordpress.com/?s=the+next+day

And one of the contributors in the comments around TND was called Stolen Guitars... Now this made me think of Eldritch & how funny it would be if he were on fan forums just like us... Then it occurred to me that the line about stolen guitars I always thought was about the m*****n & the split. However, in Hang On To Yourself, Ziggy says the rhythm comes out better on a stolen guitar... I can't imagine the arch pun-ster Von was unaware of the line & with the above reading - it would seem quiet complimentary to the Wayne and the boys... A slight case of oversight?

[czuczu]

I've been reading that blog this week
I've had to start rationing my visits because it's so addictive but the cross-references to the Scott Walker stuff are great with loads of quotes and references I'd not seen before.