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Nine while Nine demo!?!

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 16:52
by Quiff Boy
see mr marx's post here

i asked him to clarify his comment about a demo of "9 while 9" that he made on the above-mentioned thread... i thought his reply was worth a thread of its own as it might start a little discussion :o

it appears there is another FALAA-era demo track that has yet to see the light of day entitled 'Child Of Light' ;)
I wasn't been deliberately provocative - I have often wondered how the 'Red Skies' song leaked out on bootleg and naturally assumed if it was doing the rounds then the Nine while Nine version recorded at the same time was out there too.

It had the working title 'Child Of Light' and contained a line which mentions 'the children of the dust..' When we were deciding on a title for FALAA I pitched that one in even though it didn't seem likely the lyric would surface on the finished version. Quite reasonably the Von pointed out that we were over egging the 'something of something' being called the Sisters of Mercy after all.

I think I mentioned nabbing some of the words for a later Ghost dance song (A Deeper Blue) on the www.ghostdance.co.uk recording diaries.
lordy :eek: 8)

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 17:05
by Lowrider
well, I've never heard that, sorry to be unhelpful -- but I was amused to see that even fellow band members called AE 'The Von'. :lol:

Re: Nine while Nine demo!?!

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 17:28
by Silence is platinum
Quiff Boy wrote:see mr marx's post here

i asked him to clarify his comment about a demo of "9 while 9" that he made on the above-mentioned thread... i thought his reply was worth a thread of its own as it might start a little discussion :o

it appears there is another FALAA-era demo track that has yet to see the light of day entitled 'Child Of Light' ;)
I wasn't been deliberately provocative - I have often wondered how the 'Red Skies' song leaked out on bootleg and naturally assumed if it was doing the rounds then the Nine while Nine version recorded at the same time was out there too.


It had the working title 'Child Of Light' and contained a line which mentions 'the children of the dust..' When we were deciding on a title for FALAA I pitched that one in even though it didn't seem likely the lyric would surface on the finished version. Quite reasonably the Von pointed out that we were over egging the 'something of something' being called the Sisters of Mercy after all.

I think I mentioned nabbing some of the words for a later Ghost dance song (A Deeper Blue) on the www.ghostdance.co.uk recording diaries.
lordy :eek: 8)

...and what are our possibilities to listen to this song please,
what do we have to do?
i just feel ready to do almost(!!) anything..... haloooooooo.....

Re: Nine while Nine demo!?!

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 17:32
by hallucienate
sunset yellow wrote:...and what are our possibilities to listen to this song please,
what do we have to do?
i just feel ready to do almost(!!) anything..... haloooooooo.....
yes, don't make me start waving around this Red Star Upgrade thingy :innocent:

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 17:32
by Petseri
Is it time to dust off Robin's email address and drop him a note to see if he can offer any insight?

Martin

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 18:42
by Dan
Robin won't have it or he'd have mentioned it along with all the other rare stuff you weren't allowed to have.

Dammit Quiffy, you should have told Mr Marx that "Yes, we do have a copy but the quality is a bit poor and can I have a nice new copy please Mr Marx Sir." :lol: :D :lol: :D :eek: :lol: :D

Posted: 20 Oct 2004, 19:21
by Quiff Boy
Dan wrote:Robin won't have it or he'd have mentioned it along with all the other rare stuff you weren't allowed to have.

Dammit Quiffy, you should have told Mr Marx that "Yes, we do have a copy but the quality is a bit poor and can I have a nice new copy please Mr Marx Sir." :lol: :D :lol: :D :eek: :lol: :D
daaargh! you're right... i wasn't quick thinking enough :( :lol:

Posted: 21 Oct 2004, 10:03
by MrChris
Wow, this is quite exciting, isn't it? I wouldn't know whether Gary would have a copy himself, whether he keeps this kind of memorabilia at all. I wouldn't blame him if he didn't, not least since if it was well known some nutter might pop over his fence with a balaclava and a jiffy bag one night. In a way it's nice to know that there's stuff out there we may never get our hands on. Not to say that I wouldn't love to hear the James Ray version of This Corrosion etc, but still, we don't want to explode all the mysteries at once, do we?

Sounds like a nice chap, this Mr Marx. Next time you see him, you can tell him from me that I always MUCH preferred side two of FALAA.

Posted: 21 Oct 2004, 13:06
by RobF
Surely everyone prefers side two :?

dear lord, i hope there are no "Side oners" (as I like to call them) out there, unhealthy little beasts. ;D

Posted: 21 Oct 2004, 13:37
by hallucienate
RobF wrote:Surely everyone prefers side two :?

dear lord, i hope there are no "Side oners" (as I like to call them) out there, unhealthy little beasts. ;D
:notworthy: :notworthy:
good to see you again

dedicated side twoer myself :D

Posted: 21 Oct 2004, 14:19
by aaron_quinton
hallucienate wrote:
RobF wrote:Surely everyone prefers side two :?

dear lord, i hope there are no "Side oners" (as I like to call them) out there, unhealthy little beasts. ;D
:notworthy: :notworthy:
good to see you again

dedicated side twoer myself :D
well, dedicated new albumer here...

Posted: 21 Oct 2004, 14:46
by MrChris
I've definitely heard rumours of side one-ers. Apparently you can tell them by their smell...or was it that they floated? I can't quite remember...

Posted: 21 Oct 2004, 18:09
by James Blast
My initiation to FALAA land was getting it from my friend at the local library who worked in the music section, she used to let me see what had been bought but not catalogued and if there was anything I fancied I was free to take it, tape it and return it ASAP. FALAA fell into that category, so I nipped up the road, taped it onto a TDK C-90 and returned it all inside an hour. It has always sounded like one side of a tape to me.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 00:14
by Quiff Boy
James Blast wrote:My initiation to FALAA land was getting it from my friend at the local library who worked in the music section, she used to let me see what had been bought but not catalogued and if there was anything I fancied I was free to take it, tape it and return it ASAP. FALAA fell into that category, so I nipped up the road, taped it onto a TDK C-90 and returned it all inside an hour. It has always sounded like one side of a tape to me.
but did you not find that the tape missed the last few seconds of SKOS as its just a tad too long? mine always did (oddly enough i got that from the local library's music dept too!) :o :lol:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 00:46
by Dan
Mine fit on one side of a tape with just seconds to spare.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 01:21
by Quiff Boy
i think i must have had a longer starting-gap at the start of side 1 and the start of side 2.. :lol:

incidentally, when you play vinyl can you sometimes here a "ghost" version of the track itself? its very quiet and starts milliseconds before the real one?!? its noticable on my FALAA album because of the piano chord at the start of black planet...

i have a few other albums that do that too :o :?: :urff:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 01:29
by Dan
Quiff Boy wrote:incidentally, when you play vinyl can you sometimes here a "ghost" version of the track itself? its very quiet and starts milliseconds before the real one?!? its noticable on my FALAA album because of the piano chord at the start of black planet...
I've noticed that effect on tape, because it's recorded magnetically and it bleeds through from one wind of tape to the next, but I've not noticed it on vinyl.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 08:18
by hallucienate
Quiff Boy wrote:
James Blast wrote:My initiation to FALAA land was getting it from my friend at the local library who worked in the music section, she used to let me see what had been bought but not catalogued and if there was anything I fancied I was free to take it, tape it and return it ASAP. FALAA fell into that category, so I nipped up the road, taped it onto a TDK C-90 and returned it all inside an hour. It has always sounded like one side of a tape to me.
but did you not find that the tape missed the last few seconds of SKOS as its just a tad too long? mine always did (oddly enough i got that from the local library's music dept too!) :o :lol:
funny, I was gonna mention that too, but I don't wanna be known as a trainspotter :innocent: :innocent:

When I retaped the album on the same tape I managed to fit the ending in. :roll:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 09:14
by markfiend
hallucienate wrote:When I retaped the album on the same tape I managed to fit the ending in. :roll:
Strangely enough I had the same thing. It must be because the tape stretches slightly over time.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 09:19
by Planet Dave
RobF wrote:Surely everyone prefers side two :?

dear lord, i hope there are no "Side oners" (as I like to call them) out there, unhealthy little beasts. ;D
Amphetamine Logic? One of their best.

But otherwise, yeah, fair point.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 10:57
by MrChris
On weird tape-effects...in my taping days, once or twice I had the unnerving phenomenon where for a few seconds what's on side two can be heard 'underneath' what's on side one. It''s very odd, although I believe that this kind of overdubbing later caught on with popular beat combos such as the Babes of Sugar. Or something.

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 11:02
by Quiff Boy
on further investigation, my vinyl copy of the cure's "disintegration" album does that too - you can hear the intro to the first track begin "in the background" a split second before it really starts...

odd :urff:

i seem to recall this happening on my old deck too, so its not just my turntable being wierd :roll:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 11:08
by Gottdammerung
markfiend wrote:
hallucienate wrote:When I retaped the album on the same tape I managed to fit the ending in. :roll:
Strangely enough I had the same thing. It must be because the tape stretches slightly over time.
Sure does... luckily I came across a Professional Walkman recently and its got tape pitch on it! Means I can speed up or slow down depending on what state the tapes in..

(My old tape deck when I first got into the SIsters was playing too fast... my horror on getting a CD player, when I realised what Speed Lucretia actually plays at!!

Soon got used to it though!!)

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 11:10
by markfiend
Quiff Boy wrote:on further investigation, my vinyl copy of the cure's "disintegration" album does that too - you can hear the intro to the first track begin "in the background" a split second before it really starts...

odd :urff:

i seem to recall this happening on my old deck too, so its not just my turntable being wierd :roll:
It could be magnetic bleed-through on the master tape! :lol:

Posted: 22 Oct 2004, 11:22
by Loki
MrChris wrote:On weird tape-effects...in my taping days, once or twice I had the unnerving phenomenon where for a few seconds what's on side two can be heard 'underneath' what's on side one.
And as it would be playing backwards I'd always assumed it was the band trying to entice me into satanic worship and suchlike.