All that's wrong with GOTH
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The couple in question look a bit silly,sure. That said so do alot of mainstream types. An understated look is far better I think.
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metalorange wrote:Well, according to Timsinister, Goths are narrow-minded
Tim Sinister wrote:We're quibbling about the different factions of Goff and which is 'right' or 'wrong', when essentially it's the PEOPLE who decide whether or not it works out.
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And I can say from experience he's not totally wrong. Well it may not be specific to goffs, but quite a good number of them just didn't want to know about the roots and origins of their music. Apparently they weren't interested.metalorange wrote:Well, according to Timsinister, Goths are narrow-minded
Somehow they imagined that it had all started in the late 70s-early 80s and that goff had nothing to do with glam-rock, psychedelic, prog-rock, metal... Goff was the best, but The Velvet Underground, David Bowie, Motörhead, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk... sucked. How sad is that ?
Of course it's only one man's experience...
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Sorry Badlander but I totally disagree.
Glam-rock was very much standard fare during the early goth days.Even now Ziggy stardust,Virginia plain and Venus in furs will still get 'em on the dancefloors at any goth do.
I was bought up on rock and progo thanks to a rockhead elder brother and a hippy elder sister.My teen years were early punk and Nwobhm.late 80's Goth was a glorious mix of everything I'd loved before.
I wore a Motorhead T-shirt to my first Neph gig in 87 ,thinking I was being anarchic and was a little troubled to see a great many others had had the same thought.
Glam-rock was very much standard fare during the early goth days.Even now Ziggy stardust,Virginia plain and Venus in furs will still get 'em on the dancefloors at any goth do.
I was bought up on rock and progo thanks to a rockhead elder brother and a hippy elder sister.My teen years were early punk and Nwobhm.late 80's Goth was a glorious mix of everything I'd loved before.
I wore a Motorhead T-shirt to my first Neph gig in 87 ,thinking I was being anarchic and was a little troubled to see a great many others had had the same thought.
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You must be one of the good guys then.wild bill buttock wrote:Sorry Badlander but I totally disagree.
All I can say is that I quit because those goffs I knew were pretty narrow-minded and intolerant indeed. But that was in the early-mid 90s, and at that point things were already quite different I guess. Also that was Strasbourg, France, not London or any other major UK city. Goff was quite a small club there. And they thought they were soooooo clever.
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I think me and Mr Blast agree that as long as the burdz have big boobs then who f***in' cares
As for Scotty, I think he prefers a bit of leg
As for Scotty, I think he prefers a bit of leg
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Oh and by the by I do remember a goff DJ who used to play unexpected stuff like Kate Bush ( ) and Carmina burana.
The trouble is that only a minority actually appreciated the effort.
The others probably thought it wasn't "dark enough".
The trouble is that only a minority actually appreciated the effort.
The others probably thought it wasn't "dark enough".
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I will agree with you,Badlander, that there was a faction within goth(and still is)that just take it far too seriously.Usually these are people who have just got into it and dress like the two twats in the original picture.They're a bit like born again christians in their attitude that there is but one true faith and everything else is a sin.
usually they last a couple of years at the outside.
I also left the Goth scene around the mid 90's,for a couple of years,as it became infested with these preening wankers.
Fortunately it is very different now,there is a real sense of community amongst the older goths generally.
It is much more about the music than looking like an extra from Carry on screaming.
usually they last a couple of years at the outside.
I also left the Goth scene around the mid 90's,for a couple of years,as it became infested with these preening wankers.
Fortunately it is very different now,there is a real sense of community amongst the older goths generally.
It is much more about the music than looking like an extra from Carry on screaming.
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Cop a load of this then http://youtube.com/watch?v=cD3yx7C6jws& ... bush%20wowBadlander wrote:Oh and by the by I do remember a goff DJ who used to play unexpected stuff like Kate Bush ( )
Now that was a woman
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In my teenager times it was us (TSOM-Punk-Rock n'Roll-leather-slight-tendency-towards-metal) against them (THE CURE-crushed-velvet-candles-astrology-and-other-romantic-s**t).
We all had backcombed hair.
We all had backcombed hair.
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
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The Cure have no more to do with crushed velvet and black magic than the Girls have. Which is very little.canon docre wrote:In my teenager times it was us (TSOM-Punk-Rock n'Roll-leather-slight-tendency-towards-metal) against them (THE CURE-crushed-velvet-candles-astrology-and-other-romantic-s**t).
In the 60s it would have been rockers against mods I guess.
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I know. But who cares, if you need an enemy to pogo-dance against?Badlander wrote:The Cure have no more to do with crushed velvet and black magic than the Girls have. Which is very little.canon docre wrote:In my teenager times it was us (TSOM-Punk-Rock n'Roll-leather-slight-tendency-towards-metal) against them (THE CURE-crushed-velvet-candles-astrology-and-other-romantic-s**t).
In the 60s it would have been rockers against mods I guess.
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
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i guess its different from country to country, and even from city to city, but my experiences of the manchester goff scene of the very late 80s and the first two thirds of the 90s pretty much echoes wild bill's.
there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans... most people i knew were just as happy to dance to inbetween days and 100 years as they were body electric and walk away... me included
from what i saw of the leeds scene - mainly the phono & rickies, and a bit of the warehouse - around the same time (from my infrequent visits every couple of months) it seemed very similar to manc too.
never went out to any other city often enough to get a true picture of the "vibe"
there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans... most people i knew were just as happy to dance to inbetween days and 100 years as they were body electric and walk away... me included
from what i saw of the leeds scene - mainly the phono & rickies, and a bit of the warehouse - around the same time (from my infrequent visits every couple of months) it seemed very similar to manc too.
never went out to any other city often enough to get a true picture of the "vibe"
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There was a bit of friendly rivalry in Birmingham between the punky goths and the Dandy fop goths during the mid 80's(Sorry to disapoint you lot but the vast majority of Sisters fans in those days were in the latter section )but it was all pretty friendly stuff,and gum shields weren't really required when the wrecking got started .Unless the psycho billies got involved,Bastards!Quiff Boy wrote:
there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans
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You simply cannot argue with thatboudicca wrote:It was f**king great.
Naysayers f**k off.
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The amount of psychobillies with faded blue sisters tats from 83 is quite scary, and has led me to some frightening evenings drinking with men called things like "Pickaxe Steve" over the years. Gotta love 'em, unless they're dancing at you.wild bill buttock wrote:There was a bit of friendly rivalry in Birmingham between the punky goths and the Dandy fop goths during the mid 80's(Sorry to disapoint you lot but the vast majority of Sisters fans in those days were in the latter section )but it was all pretty friendly stuff,and gum shields weren't really required when the wrecking got started .Unless the psycho billies got involved,Bastards!Quiff Boy wrote:
there wasn't really any of that "us v them" stuff canon docre mentions between the sisters' type of goths & the cure type of goth fans
If it helps, I looked like Johnny Slut for about a year, but I still think those two in Leipzig look like a prissy pair of gimps with no piggin' idea.
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does anyone else remember the nutbags that had pointy quiff/crew cut thingimibobs, and beer towels sewn onto their clothes-listened to King Kurt and battered each other on the dancefloor?RobF wrote: psychobillies
No?
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Them was your actual psychobillies.And where have they all gone?
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Local Governmentwild bill buttock wrote:Them was your actual psychobillies.And where have they all gone?
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Demented are go were great.
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
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Aye, the Psychobillies were fookin terrifying.
And like I said, I can't exactly cast stones...
I went out in one of Mrs Fiend's frocks once
And like I said, I can't exactly cast stones...
I went out in one of Mrs Fiend's frocks once
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Remember?? They were the stuff of my dreamsweebleswobble wrote:does anyone else remember the nutbags that had pointy quiff/crew cut thingimibobs, and beer towels sewn onto their clothes-listened to King Kurt and battered each other on the dancefloor?RobF wrote: psychobillies
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