Lord Of Darkness Bootleg LP - Sound quality ???
i am curious about the "lord of darkness" bootleg lp cause i could get it for a nice price. anybody out there who owns that record and could tell me something about the sound quality ? does it sound like cassette recordings or was it sourced from the digital files ? any idea would be very helpful !!! thank you very much.
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This seems to be low quality. I found a torrent with remarks to that effect by it's seeder.
It's likely too old to be sourced from anything but cassettes of aircheck.
It's likely too old to be sourced from anything but cassettes of aircheck.
"The lambs are dead and the cows explode"
Love the title and am eager to hear what you find out about this boot. I can't offer anything in regards to sound quality but in terms of useless trivia I can tell you that the coverart was used a long time ago on the debut album from Austrian death metallers, Pungent Stench For God Your Soul For Me Your Flesh (1989). Now my 80's death metal roots are showing, ha
haha...you are right !!! i was thinking about the cover picture for some days, but for sure it was pungent stench !!! time to celebrate that record again 
back to topic: is there any vinyl boot available, including the complete digital broadcasts of the three bbc sessions ?
back to topic: is there any vinyl boot available, including the complete digital broadcasts of the three bbc sessions ?
since the early 90s, i always enjoyed my "they are not departed or gone" bootleg LP, but since the digital re-broadcasts were available, i can never listen to my vinyl...it is incomplete, runs too fast and sounds bad, compared to the digital broadcasts.
sure, it is dab stuff, lossy format and so on...but i would really love to have all the three complete sessions on lp. is there any good sounding version out there ?
sure, it is dab stuff, lossy format and so on...but i would really love to have all the three complete sessions on lp. is there any good sounding version out there ?
Interesting. Never heard of this boot before. Just searched it and found a sold listing on ebay. I'm guessing this is the one you have:sathvyre wrote:since the early 90s, i always enjoyed my "they are not departed or gone" bootleg LP, but since the digital re-broadcasts were available, i can never listen to my vinyl...it is incomplete, runs too fast and sounds bad, compared to the digital broadcasts.
sure, it is dab stuff, lossy format and so on...but i would really love to have all the three complete sessions on lp. is there any good sounding version out there ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Sisters-of- ... 7675.l2557
The tracklist that I can make out in the ebay pics suggest it was a show from 1984-ish? When you say "digital broadcasts" does that mean this show is archived somewhere online that I might be able to listen to it? Would like to check it out if possible.
this is exactly what i have on vinyl. this release don't include a show, but most of the radio one sessions and two early live tracks, tagged to the end of the LP.
i listened to the record again. besides the fact that it runs too fast, you can clearly hear that it was sourced from another vinyl boot...
i listened to the record again. besides the fact that it runs too fast, you can clearly hear that it was sourced from another vinyl boot...
Welcome to the forum.darcraver wrote:I too would be interested in knowing the "best" source of these radio one sessions? Perhaps a bootleg vinyl lp, or digital file(s)?
The actual, real "best" source will be the BBC archive tape (or whatever media it's stored on). Let's face it. That is THE source. Not going to get better than that really
Failing that, a good capture of the original FM broadcasts, although Jensen only had an AM slot.
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Here is a recent vinyl with BBC material: http://www.discogs.com/Sisters-Of-Mercy ... se/6579080
No idea if it uses the DAB's as it's source files though. Reasonable price, and a rather nice cover.
No idea if it uses the DAB's as it's source files though. Reasonable price, and a rather nice cover.
"The lambs are dead and the cows explode"
Thanks for the welcome. I'm surprised the archive tapes haven't surfaced yet. Would like to see them turn up on eBayPista wrote: Welcome to the forum.
The actual, real "best" source will be the BBC archive tape (or whatever media it's stored on). Let's face it. That is THE source. Not going to get better than that really
Failing that, a good capture of the original FM broadcasts, although Jensen only had an AM slot.
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The last I heard (it was a few years ago - before the Beeb began the process of digitising their archives) old recordings like these only existed on their original real-to-real tapes and old vhs cassettes.
When they closed the old BBC office in Leeds they threw a lot of old stuff like that out.
A friend of mine who worked there at the time managed to borrow broadcast copies go the Mary Chain and Sisters OGWT (complete with the timecode in the top corner) before they were skipped.
Pretty sure they were all binned after that.
As I understand it, only people in certain positions within the Beeb (researchers, typically) have access to these archives. They have to check them out when they want them (like library).
Given that the original would still have to be in existence, and that you'd have to be in the same physical place as the recordings were stored, and that you'd have to care enough to even have a look, and that you'd then have to check the recordings out and digitise them yourself... well, I think we're talking about a 1000000-1 chance of these ever surfacing.
Also, given all the factors above, any subsequent leak would be highly traceable to the individual.
When they closed the old BBC office in Leeds they threw a lot of old stuff like that out.
A friend of mine who worked there at the time managed to borrow broadcast copies go the Mary Chain and Sisters OGWT (complete with the timecode in the top corner) before they were skipped.
Pretty sure they were all binned after that.
As I understand it, only people in certain positions within the Beeb (researchers, typically) have access to these archives. They have to check them out when they want them (like library).
Given that the original would still have to be in existence, and that you'd have to be in the same physical place as the recordings were stored, and that you'd have to care enough to even have a look, and that you'd then have to check the recordings out and digitise them yourself... well, I think we're talking about a 1000000-1 chance of these ever surfacing.
Also, given all the factors above, any subsequent leak would be highly traceable to the individual.
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Until fairly recently it was possible to ask about certain archives. I did a bit of detective work regarding an alleged The Cure session on Richard Skinner's show back in 83 which turned out to be a Round Table program where new releases were reviewed.Quiff Boy wrote:
As I understand it, only people in certain positions within the Beeb (researchers, typically) have access to these archives. They have to check them out when they want them (like library).
Sadly the archive site is no longer staffed
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Info assimilated - you'd be referring to the 'session' from 04/84 though I assume.Pista wrote:I did a bit of detective work regarding an alleged The Cure session on Richard Skinner's show back in 83 which turned out to be a Round Table program where new releases were reviewed.
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The purpose of digitising content is to not have to move media back and forth. Once integrated the digital archive would not make it necessary for copies of anything to be made either, as the broadcast suites would remotely access all content on the archive servers. Only a show's producer and the scheduler would have access to the archive and then only to metadata via their respective software suites.Quiff Boy wrote:The last I heard (it was a few years ago - before the Beeb began the process of digitising their archives) old recordings like these only existed on their original real-to-real tapes and old vhs cassettes.
When they closed the old BBC office in Leeds they threw a lot of old stuff like that out.
A friend of mine who worked there at the time managed to borrow broadcast copies go the Mary Chain and Sisters OGWT (complete with the timecode in the top corner) before they were skipped.
Pretty sure they were all binned after that.
As I understand it, only people in certain positions within the Beeb (researchers, typically) have access to these archives. They have to check them out when they want them (like library).
Given that the original would still have to be in existence, and that you'd have to be in the same physical place as the recordings were stored, and that you'd have to care enough to even have a look, and that you'd then have to check the recordings out and digitise them yourself... well, I think we're talking about a 1000000-1 chance of these ever surfacing.
Also, given all the factors above, any subsequent leak would be highly traceable to the individual.
The original storage media for the OGWT appearance would likely have been U-matic, not VHS, though that is probably deceased now and a moot point. VHS was used as a copy medium and usually for promo purposes and usually with the timecode visible. It's not logical to store broadcast clips on VHS and certainly not with visible timecode.
The Cure sesh? No that was 09/83 & was being banded about as an FM session when it was an AM new release review.Gaijin wrote: Info assimilated - you'd be referring to the 'session' from 04/84 though I assume.
The point though is that it used to be possible to ask the beeb questions about archived shows. The guy that wrote me back was pretty helpful & it is a shame they've stopped staffing that service now.
