Should I Stay Or Should I Go?

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Unable to tear myself away from The Guardian's live coverage of the ever-more-surreal story of Trump's executive order banning people from "majority muslim countries" from entering the US. Wondering whether to raise the question at my appraisal tomorrow about getting relocated to somewhere less odious - Germany, maybe, which while it has some historical problems with the way it's treated people in the past seems quite committed to doing something about it; maybe Australia, ditto, although it doesn't seem quite so committed; at this point I'd even consider moving back to London, although I suspect that that presents something of a frying-pan/fire scenario. Does staying mean that I tacitly approve of Trump's actions? Since my status in the US is one of Permanent Residence, my options for getting involved in protests is precarious at best and downright dangerous at worst. Nothing like as dangerous, of course, as those who are of a darker hue than me, but "life-changing" seems to be the expression du jour. The lawyers are telling me to keep a low profile, drop off social media (or at least start posting under pseudonyms), stop using public email services, secure my text messaging - sh*t, I'm probably the last person that you'd think they'd want to deport, but if this is the advice I'm getting what the hell are they telling my friends who actually are in the cross-hairs?

The expression "F*ck me" has never been so apposite. :roll:
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EvilBastard wrote: ......The lawyers are telling me to keep a low profile, drop off social media (or at least start posting under pseudonyms), stop using public email services, secure my text messaging - sh*t, I'm probably the last person that you'd think they'd want to deport, but if this is the advice I'm getting what the hell are they telling my friends who actually are in the cross-hairs? ...
Bloody hell :eek: :evil: :cry:

Sorry I have nothing helpful to say to you, the word "sinister" just seems so inadequate
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EvilBastard wrote:Unable to tear myself away from The Guardian's live coverage of the ever-more-surreal story of Trump's executive order banning people from "majority muslim countries" from entering the US. Wondering whether to raise the question at my appraisal tomorrow about getting relocated to somewhere less odious - Germany, maybe, which while it has some historical problems with the way it's treated people in the past seems quite committed to doing something about it; maybe Australia, ditto, although it doesn't seem quite so committed; at this point I'd even consider moving back to London, although I suspect that that presents something of a frying-pan/fire scenario. Does staying mean that I tacitly approve of Trump's actions? Since my status in the US is one of Permanent Residence, my options for getting involved in protests is precarious at best and downright dangerous at worst. Nothing like as dangerous, of course, as those who are of a darker hue than me, but "life-changing" seems to be the expression du jour. The lawyers are telling me to keep a low profile, drop off social media (or at least start posting under pseudonyms), stop using public email services, secure my text messaging - sh*t, I'm probably the last person that you'd think they'd want to deport, but if this is the advice I'm getting what the hell are they telling my friends who actually are in the cross-hairs?

The expression "F*ck me" has never been so apposite. :roll:
So sorry EB. We're all f*cked right now. Many of us will protest on your behalf.
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oops. wrong thread.
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I think this is very worthy of its own thread, so I split these posts off.
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oh. i put my post where it should be.

I've just read something saying that Merkel has had to explain the Geneva Convention on refugees to His Idiocy over the phone.
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Just fetching it now :)
emilystrange wrote:watching the signatory numbers on a petition to not let trump have a state visit here rack up at 200 per 9 seconds (i timed the update). currently about to turn 550,000.
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The Mrs is watching it too, she can't tear herself away. It updates every 15 seconds or so.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Not a royalist by any means but a token way of showing my disgust with Trump. Sorry for the hijack EB
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Mr Bastard. isn't there that quote:- something about them coming for various people and I did nothing and when they came for me there was no one left.

I am not saying this in any kind of smug way - unfortunately I am also doing nothing
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million voices wrote:Mr Bastard. isn't there that quote:- something about them coming for various people and I did nothing and when they came for me there was no one left.
Get real -- Trump is not persecuting Muslims. On the other hand, Muslim-ruled nations DO persecute non-Muslims when they have the power to do so.
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Maybe Muslim refugees trying to get into the US could pretend to be Christians.

You know, like Republicans do.
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I have a friend desperate to get out of the UK due to Brexit utterly shattering his faith. I don't think remaining anywhere is tacitly endorsing anyone, especially when the scenario is so weighted against you, EvilBastard.

You can't help anyone if you don't help yourself first. Be well.
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timsinister wrote:You can't help anyone if you don't help yourself first. Be well.
Troo dat. Well said Tim
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markfiend wrote:Maybe Muslim refugees trying to get into the US could pretend to be Christians.

You know, like Republicans do.
Nice. :notworthy:
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I stole it off tumblr but thanks ;D
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(That isn't an original quote by me, so you know)
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timsinister wrote:(That isn't an original quote by me, so you know)
Picasso I think?
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T.S. Eliot seems the likely culprit. So we find ourselves circling back to Heartland via Eldritch's, hm, inspirations...?

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Maybe Picasso stole it from Eliot then :lol:
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Nothing new under the sun, or the moon! 8)
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nowayjose wrote:Get real -- Trump is not persecuting Muslims.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
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nowayjose wrote: Get real -- Trump is not persecuting Muslims.
except for (and not just inclusive of) those muslims who are joint-nationality US citizens resident in the US who happen to have left the country temporarily. :roll:
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eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
nowayjose wrote: Get real -- Trump is not persecuting Muslims.
except for (and not just inclusive of) those muslims who are joint-nationality US citizens resident in the US who happen to have left the country temporarily. :roll:
& those from countries where he has business interests.
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nowayjose wrote: Get real -- Trump is not persecuting Muslims.
And to be fair, trump just wants the Muslim registry so he doesn't accidentally send them Christmas cards.
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