Kenny Giles - what is real and what is not.

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Right. I went through the archives and there are some conflicting reports about what is real and what isn't from these. I got this from Halfjob and am going to send one out to Andy - but I prefer to know what I'm actually sending him. Anybody any idea where the live tracks are from?:

Kenny Giles Walks on Water

1 Untitled demo (Body Electric diff lyrics) 5.00
2 Good things (1st Demo) 3.53
3 1969 (Basement Demo) 2.32
4 Alice (psychedelic Intro. Demo) 3.05
5 Adrenochrome (CNT Demo) 2.55
6 Body Electric (CNT Demo) 4.24
7 Anaconda (Demo) 3.06
8 Phantom (Unfaded edit) 2.42
9 Good Things (Unreleased Basement Demo) 3.37
10 Adrenochrome (CNT Reverb Demo) 2.56
11 Body electric (instrumental) 4.32
12 Adrenochrome (instrumental) 2.55
13 Good Things (Leeds 16.02.81) 5.31
14 Floorshow (Demo) 3.19
15 Lights (Demo) 5.20
16 Teachers/Adrenochrome (Demo) 6.57

5,6,10,11,12 - Recorded at Kenny Giles studio Bridlington
2,3,4,7 - Recorded 1982
14,15,16 - Recorded early 1981

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can't say for sure but i think a few of thoe "demo" versions are just eq-d versions of the official releases. been a while since i've listened to it but IIRC tracks 5, 6 & 8 were not really "demos".
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Dan's your man for any 'Kenny Giles' related business

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No all tracks are in dept real, no s...t at all
the only thing that happened is the the original owner of the tape edited all songs for few second for kept the original rare.
just 2 of the CNT songs are the released version but not comes from vinyl but from reel. Original tape of K.G was compiled by Eldo and got a handwritten cover by himself of mark : Released 7 version - Reverberate version (different mix) - Instrumental.

the bootleger done a mix of :

Floorshow Ep
K.G tapes
Anaconda (rough mix)
3 tracks Basement demos (Andy cousin source)
Good thing (demo) J.AShton furs demo

this the true history
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So.

Would this be correct now:

1 Body Electric (demo) Andrew's cousin
2 Good things (1st Demo) J. Ashton
3 1969 (demo) Andrew's cousin
4 Alice (psychedelic Intro. Demo) 3.05
5 Adrenochrome (CNT Demo) Giles Reel
6 Body Electric (CNT Demo) - Giles Reel
7 Anaconda (Demo) Rough Mix
8 Phantom (Unfaded edit) 2.42
9 Good Things (Basement demo) Andrew's cousin
10 Adrenochrome (CNT Reverb Demo) Giles Reel
11 Body electric (instrumental) Giles Reel
12 Adrenochrome (instrumental) Giles Reel
13 Good Things (Leeds 16.02.81) 5.31
14 Floorshow (Demo) Floorshow Ep
15 Lights (Demo) Floorshow Ep
16 Teachers/Adrenochrome (Demo) Floorshow Ep
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LOL!

Tracks 14,15,16, have been around years. Released on various boots as "Floorshow EP", this was originally part of a Sisters demo tape.

Tracks 3, 9 and 4 (in that order) belong together. I've had those same 3 tracks on tape for a number of years. My copy was labelled as "Body Electric Demos Feb'82". Alice ends abruptly cos someone accidentally recorded over the end, which isn't as evident on the cd cos someone's trimmed the end by a fraction of a second.

All the tracks on the Kenny Giles cd are badly encoded. Either the person who made the cd was crap at encoding audio, or it was done deliberately by some complete git to "keep it rare". Most likely a bit of both.

The best tracks for me are track 1 & 13. It's just a shame track 1 jumps a couple of times in a very strange way. I've been able to fix most of the other clicks and pops on the cd but the jumps in track 1 are unfixable.
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Dan wrote:Tracks 14,15,16, have been around years. Released on various boots as "Floorshow EP", this was originally part of a Sisters demo tape.
Who is the origin of the demo tape. Marx?
Dan wrote:Tracks 3, 9 and 4 (in that order) belong together. I've had those same 3 tracks on tape for a number of years. My copy was labelled as "Body Electric Demos Feb'82". Alice ends abruptly cos someone accidentally recorded over the end, which isn't as evident on the cd cos someone's trimmed the end by a fraction of a second.
Were they recorded by Giles as well, or was that the basement of Andrew's (cousin?) house?

Also, what venue in Leeds (16.02.81) is the Good Times recording from.

What is the source of the Phantom (unfaded edit)?

Also, anybody any ideas about the tracklisting and the way it is? Should I change it?

Thanks, sorry for the questions.

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>Were they recorded by Giles as well, or was that the basement of >Andrew's (cousin?) house?

both, are 2 different session

>Also, what venue in Leeds (16.02.81) is the Good Times recording from.

not Leeds but York Alcuin college

>What is the source of the Phantom (unfaded edit)?

it was featured as extra track in one of the first tapes that the most older Sisters traders done (IanMC), also 3 tracks demos was first circulated from him that get personally get from band
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Karst wrote:
Dan wrote:Tracks 14,15,16, have been around years. Released on various boots as "Floorshow EP", this was originally part of a Sisters demo tape.
Who is the origin of the demo tape. Marx?
No, it's from a demo tape, y'know, one that bands send out to record companies & music papers when they're just starting out, maybe even sell at gigs.
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Dan wrote:Tracks 3, 9 and 4 (in that order) belong together. I've had those same 3 tracks on tape for a number of years. My copy was labelled as "Body Electric Demos Feb'82". Alice ends abruptly cos someone accidentally recorded over the end, which isn't as evident on the cd cos someone's trimmed the end by a fraction of a second.
Were they recorded by Giles as well, or was that the basement of Andrew's (cousin?) house?
No idea.
Also, what venue in Leeds (16.02.81) is the Good Times recording from.
It's not from Leeds, it's York, Alcuin College (York University), their first ever gig. Supporting Thompson Twins. 16.2.81. Recording given to someone by Andrew.
Also, anybody any ideas about the tracklisting and the way it is? Should I change it?
Yes, the track order is a mess. I'll get back to you on that one.
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Dan/Taylor - many thanks for your comments.

Adjusted the tracklisting pending Dan's corrections:

1 Body Electric (demo) Andrew's cousin
2 Good things (1st Demo) J. Ashton
3 1969 (demo) Body Electric Demos Feb '82
4 Alice (demo) 3.05 Body Electric Demos Feb'82
5 Adrenochrome (CNT Demo) Giles Reel
6 Body Electric (CNT Demo) - Giles Reel
7 Anaconda (Demo) Rough Mix
8 Phantom (Unfaded edit) 2.42
9 Good Things (demo) Body Electric Demos Feb' 82
10 Adrenochrome (CNT Reverb Demo) Giles Reel
11 Body electric (instrumental) Giles Reel
12 Adrenochrome (instrumental) Giles Reel
13 Good Things (live at the Alcuin College, York 16.02.81) 5.31
14 Floorshow (Demo) Floorshow Ep
15 Lights (Demo) Floorshow Ep
16 Teachers/Adrenochrome (Demo) Floorshow Ep
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I messed around with the track order. Rearranging it in approx chronological order and grouping the tracks together I arrived at this. It won't be 100% correct but it's a good guess I reckon.

(Keeping the original track numbers to avoid confusion.)

13 Good Things (York, Alcuin College, 1st gig, 16.02.81)

May'81, Sisters Demo Tape (aka Floorshow EP)
14 Floorshow (Demo)
15 Lights (Demo)
16 Teachers/Adrenochrome (Demo)

Basement Demos, 1981
1 Untitled demo (Body Electric diff lyrics)

Demo, late 1981
2 Good things (1st Demo)

Kenny Giles Studio, Bridlington, Feb'82
5 Adrenochrome (CNT Demo)
6 Body Electric (CNT Demo)
10 Adrenochrome (CNT Reverb Demo)
11 Body electric (instrumental)
12 Adrenochrome (instrumental)

(?)Kenny Giles Studio, Bridlington, Summer'82 (Seemed a more likely date, as this looks like a later session than the other one.)
3 1969 (Basement Demo)
9 Good Things (Unreleased Basement Demo)
4 Alice (psychedelic Intro. Demo)

7 Anaconda (Demo)
8 Phantom (Unfaded edit)

I'm not sure where the last 2 belong so I just bunged them on the end!
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Thanks Dan! Think I'll set it up that way - unless people would find it to confusing concerning the weed.
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Can I just clear one thing up, you mention the source being Andy Cousin, I assume this is a cousin of Andrew Eldritch and NOT andy Cousins the Bass player of All About eve
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YES ANDY'S COUSIN
THE DAN TRACK LIST IS 100% CORRECT
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Anyone else think that

"Demo, late 1981
2 Good things (1st Demo) "


Is actually a 1982 portastudio demo?
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Feck's sake Rob, move on...
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He knows how to use search function ? :eek:
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For all I could gather about this issue see

http://www.sisterswiki.org/Kenny_Giles_Walks_On_Water

and the integrated links ...

Corrections and further details welcome.
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Being645 wrote:For all I could gather about this issue see

http://www.sisterswiki.org/Kenny_Giles_Walks_On_Water

and the integrated links ...

Corrections and further details welcome.
time of release February 2003 (still got the envelope it came in)
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paint it black wrote:(still got the envelope it came in)
Now that's what I call hardcore collecting :lol:
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:lol: ... I'd probably stored that as well ... :lol: ...


Thanks for the info, paint it black ... :notworthy: ... adjusted ...
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Who's Kenny Giles? Did he play for Leeds United?
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[quote="moses"]Who's Kenny Giles? Did he play for Leeds United?[/quote]

pardon my ignorance, sir, in case you are attempting to breed in some quality humour, but his name and "occupation" is mentioned/explained even in the SGWBM booklet, which im pretty sure you own.
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